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Post by coursedesignHQ on Jul 12, 2023 19:35:45 GMT -5
The 18th hole on my course is a par five with the strategy is either cutting the corner on the right for a better angle to the green or laying back to the left leaving a more difficult angle in. There is a runoff to the back right of the green making it harder to hold the green when approaching from the left side. It felt a bit too easy to just hit one over the back and be on fairway for a simple up and down so I put two bunkers there to catch any shots that roll over the green and create some more danger around the green. However. these bunkers are blind from where the player is hitting from. This seems a little weird to me to have the bunkers not be visible but I like the strategy of making it difficult to hit the green in two shots. Does this make sense or should I remove the bunkers and do something different? View into the green: View from above: From behind: From the side:
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Post by b101 on Jul 12, 2023 20:25:39 GMT -5
Blind bunkers behind a green aren’t an immediate no for sure, but they’re hard to get right, particularly with the ball physics in this game and that it’s nearly impossible to miss long... Couple of ways you can do it though:
1) raised bunkers (think Augusta 13). Typically, these would have to be built into a pre-existing hillside so I don’t think those would fit here, but it is one way around the blindness.
2) accept the bunkers will be blind. One way to accomplish this is to have a bunker that wraps around a corner of the green (therefore starts visible before becoming blind. A bunker string can help here, too - try to imply that the bunkers are there however you can.
3) have a different hazard. Often, having the green slope hard back to front and a runoff long is a more interesting deterrent - the recovery shot can be more challenging and it’s less obvious. The downside is just that: it is less obvious. Bunkers are a very obvious danger whereas runoffs and slopes are more subtle. Sometimes you’ll want one, sometimes the other.
There are definitely other things you could do instead, but I like that you have a clear vision for the ‘bad’ miss, even if the miss long is tough to pull off. If you are having trouble long, make sure there’s a safe miss here (likely short) and the green is open to allow players to run the ball on - if you bunker in front and behind, you force a perfect distance shot which will be frustrating and limits options.
Hope that helps. I don’t think one specific ‘do this’ answer is helpful in these situations - you know how you want the hole to play, it’s now about weighing up the best ways to accomplish that.
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Post by gamesdecent on Jul 12, 2023 20:42:58 GMT -5
The way it is now, you're essentially making the Road hole without the Road bunker, which is the main hazard. Put the bunkers in front instead of behind and run the green away from the approach from the left side, but more across the approach from the right side. Could also raise the green up so that anything hit too long into a downslope behind the green doesn't just run off but risks bouncing through the fence and into OB, whereas anything hit long from the right side would have more room for error.
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Post by b101 on Jul 13, 2023 11:03:01 GMT -5
Agree with Petty now I can actually see the pictures properly! I’d also look at where your fairway around the green is placed - as it is, you’re requiring all carry and the fairway apron that you do have isn’t helping the player. Try to see fairway in front of the green as a way for a strategic or creative player to find an alternative route to the hole rather than just flying it all the way.
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Post by coursedesignHQ on Jul 13, 2023 19:45:44 GMT -5
Thank you so much b101 and gamesdecent you have given me a lot of good feedback and I will take all of it into consideration while constructing this hole. Again, thanks for the responses!
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