GeneCreemers
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Post by GeneCreemers on Jan 28, 2023 13:51:21 GMT -5
With flat bottom bunkers? Rarely do I encounter one in real life
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Post by b101 on Jan 28, 2023 15:13:56 GMT -5
Worth checking the work of Seth Raynor, Pete Dye and others. Coore and Crenshaw sometimes also use a bunkering style with similar aspects and heathland courses can have them as well. It’s not from your everyday muni, but they’re pretty well known.
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Post by sroel908 on Jan 28, 2023 16:26:42 GMT -5
Worth checking the work of Seth Raynor, Pete Dye and others. Coore and Crenshaw sometimes also use a bunkering style with similar aspects and heathland courses can have them as well. It’s not from your everyday muni, but they’re pretty well known. If any of you find your way to Charleston, South Carolina, I highly recommend playing the Charleston Municipal Golf Course. Its 2020 redesign was heavily influenced by Seth Raynor's work at the private clubs in the area. It's $60 US for out-of-towners to play, or just $20 for local residents. There are template holes and flat-bottomed bunkers all over the place! Here's Hole 11, a Redan:  And here's Hole 13, the Road Hole:  |
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Post by b101 on Jan 28, 2023 16:49:07 GMT -5
Worth checking the work of Seth Raynor, Pete Dye and others. Coore and Crenshaw sometimes also use a bunkering style with similar aspects and heathland courses can have them as well. It’s not from your everyday muni, but they’re pretty well known. If any of you find your way to Charleston, South Carolina, I highly recommend playing the Charleston Municipal Golf Course. Its 2020 redesign was heavily influenced by Seth Raynor's work at the private clubs in the area. It's $60 US for out-of-towners to play, or just $20 for local residents. There are template holes and flat-bottomed bunkers all over the place! Here's Hole 11, a Redan: And here's Hole 13, the Road Hole: I recall that one: |
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GeneCreemers
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Post by GeneCreemers on Jan 28, 2023 17:02:40 GMT -5
Worth checking the work of Seth Raynor, Pete Dye and others. Coore and Crenshaw sometimes also use a bunkering style with similar aspects and heathland courses can have them as well. It’s not from your everyday muni, but they’re pretty well known. Thanks B,
I totally understand that these designers use this style. But what about other designers? What about a little course called Augusta National? Definitely not your everyday muni and I'm not sure if there's a single flat bunker to be found on Augusta. There are a lot of amazing courses and designers out there that don't have flat bunkers all over the place.
I play some fantastic courses in North Carolina that don't have any flat bunkers. They usually have a flat spot, but that doesn't mean the ball funnels down to that flat spot. More often than not, the ball I'm hitting is above or below my feet.
I think what I'm asking is why is there such a premium put on this design style within TGC? I feel as if everyone is so focused on creating flat bunkers that have 0" of elevation change, when that's not the reality of golf, and definitely not the reality of some really famous courses. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it feels as though it's almost a check in the negative column if my courses don't incorporate flat bunkers.
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Post by GeneCreemers on Jan 28, 2023 17:04:49 GMT -5
All that being said... my current course design incorporates a lot of flat style bunkers because it fits with what I'm trying to do.
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Post by sroel908 on Jan 28, 2023 17:13:15 GMT -5
Worth checking the work of Seth Raynor, Pete Dye and others. Coore and Crenshaw sometimes also use a bunkering style with similar aspects and heathland courses can have them as well. It’s not from your everyday muni, but they’re pretty well known. Thanks B,
I totally understand that these designers use this style. But what about other designers? What about a little course called Augusta National? Definitely not your everyday muni and I'm not sure if there's a single flat bunker to be found on Augusta. There are a lot of amazing courses and designers out there that don't have flat bunkers all over the place.
I play some fantastic courses in North Carolina that don't have any flat bunkers. They usually have a flat spot, but that doesn't mean the ball funnels down to that flat spot. More often than not, the ball I'm hitting is above or below my feet.
I think what I'm asking is why is there such a premium put on this design style within TGC? I feel as if everyone is so focused on creating flat bunkers that have 0" of elevation change, when that's not the reality of golf, and definitely not the reality of some really famous courses. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it feels as though it's almost a check in the negative column if my courses don't incorporate flat bunkers.
To be honest, there are always "fads" in this world of virtual fictional golf course design. For a while, it was a certain lighting. Then, everyone made courses that looked straight out of Bandon. Even just look at all the courses now that have extremely long fence work, just because we can spline them. And sometimes, there's a large influx of template courses or ones with flat bunkers. But there is no premium on it...you're not going have a better chance of getting on tour or getting Tour Worthy status just because you have a course with flat-bottomed bunkers. And having deeper bunkers that aren't in the flat-bottom style isn't a negative. |
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Post by GeneCreemers on Jan 28, 2023 17:35:32 GMT -5
To be honest, there are always "fads" in this world of virtual fictional golf course design. For a while, it was a certain lighting. Then, everyone made courses that looked straight out of Bandon. Even just look at all the courses now that have extremely long fence work, just because we can spline them. And sometimes, there's a large influx of template courses or ones with flat bunkers. There is no premium on it...you're not going have a better chance of getting on tour or getting Tour Worthy status just because you have a course with flat-bottomed bunkers. Right on, that makes sense. Maybe it's just the way I'm perceiving it because I see so much talk about it on the boards and on twitch review streams. Like people always seem to want to point out if a bunker hasn't been flattened to perfection. |
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Post by sroel908 on Jan 28, 2023 17:39:46 GMT -5
To be honest, there are always "fads" in this world of virtual fictional golf course design. For a while, it was a certain lighting. Then, everyone made courses that looked straight out of Bandon. Even just look at all the courses now that have extremely long fence work, just because we can spline them. And sometimes, there's a large influx of template courses or ones with flat bunkers. There is no premium on it...you're not going have a better chance of getting on tour or getting Tour Worthy status just because you have a course with flat-bottomed bunkers. Right on, that makes sense. Maybe it's just the way I'm perceiving it because I see so much talk about it on the boards and on twitch review streams. Like people always seem to want to point out if a bunker hasn't been flattened to perfection. To me, it sounds like the discussion you've heard might be more about the sculpting of the bunker, and not necessarily the fact that it's flat-bottomed? Without seeing the streams, I am unsure exactly what you're referencing. But in streams I have watched in the past, the discussion is more about sculpting the bunkers so they are "flat", in that they don't look awkward, lumpy, or like a bathtub with steep edges that lead to a curved bottom and lacking in a high side and a low side. But there's never been any kind of thought out there, at least that I am aware of, that indicates that the flat-bottom style of bunker is preferred to the deeper style. |
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Post by GeneCreemers on Jan 28, 2023 23:21:36 GMT -5
I am unsure exactly what you're referencing. But in streams I have watched in the past, the discussion is more about sculpting the bunkers so they are "flat", in that they don't look awkward, lumpy, or like a bathtub with steep edges that lead to a curved bottom and lacking in a high side and a low side.
I've definitely heard that as well, but have definitely heard the flat bottom stuff too
But there's never been any kind of thought out there, at least that I am aware of, that indicates that the flat-bottom style of bunker is preferred to the deeper style. Good to know and thanks for clearing that up. |
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Post by b101 on Jan 28, 2023 23:53:21 GMT -5
Worth checking the work of Seth Raynor, Pete Dye and others. Coore and Crenshaw sometimes also use a bunkering style with similar aspects and heathland courses can have them as well. It’s not from your everyday muni, but they’re pretty well known. Thanks B,
I totally understand that these designers use this style. But what about other designers? What about a little course called Augusta National? Definitely not your everyday muni and I'm not sure if there's a single flat bunker to be found on Augusta. There are a lot of amazing courses and designers out there that don't have flat bunkers all over the place.
I play some fantastic courses in North Carolina that don't have any flat bunkers. They usually have a flat spot, but that doesn't mean the ball funnels down to that flat spot. More often than not, the ball I'm hitting is above or below my feet.
I think what I'm asking is why is there such a premium put on this design style within TGC? I feel as if everyone is so focused on creating flat bunkers that have 0" of elevation change, when that's not the reality of golf, and definitely not the reality of some really famous courses. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it feels as though it's almost a check in the negative column if my courses don't incorporate flat bunkers.
Nope, this definitely isn't the case. If the style fits the course, go for it, but there's zero premium on them and it's definitely not a negative. What you might be seeing is that it's suddenly become a lot easier to produce the flat base, therefore people are starting to try it more as that style of course has become more accessible. You'll still see way more 'standard' bunkers than not in TGC courses. |
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Post by SteelVike on Jan 30, 2023 11:30:14 GMT -5
To be honest, there are always "fads" in this world of virtual fictional golf course design. For a while, it was a certain lighting. Then, everyone made courses that looked straight out of Bandon. Even just look at all the courses now that have extremely long fence work, just because we can spline them. And sometimes, there's a large influx of template courses or ones with flat bunkers. Don't forget about the great Delta theme obsession of 2K21. |
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Post by Violinguy69 on Jan 31, 2023 10:39:56 GMT -5
To be honest, there are always "fads" in this world of virtual fictional golf course design. For a while, it was a certain lighting. Then, everyone made courses that looked straight out of Bandon. Even just look at all the courses now that have extremely long fence work, just because we can spline them. And sometimes, there's a large influx of template courses or ones with flat bunkers. Don't forget about the great Delta theme obsession of 2K21. Yeah, that goes back to TGC2 (I never had the original TGC) |
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Post by Q on Jan 31, 2023 18:33:53 GMT -5
To be honest, there are always "fads" in this world of virtual fictional golf course design. For a while, it was a certain lighting. Then, everyone made courses that looked straight out of Bandon. Even just look at all the courses now that have extremely long fence work, just because we can spline them. And sometimes, there's a large influx of template courses or ones with flat bunkers. Don't forget about the great Delta theme obsession of 2K21. With the heavy rough removal tool, you're about to see a huge influx of delta courses, again |
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Post by fargo on Jan 31, 2023 18:42:36 GMT -5
With the heavy rough removal tool, you're about to see a huge influx of delta courses, again Guilty... |
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