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Post by bhazen on Jan 13, 2023 18:05:54 GMT -5
Oops that was a typo. I meant Hole 12 (the par 5 with the two bunkers in the fairway in the drive/layup position). The 15th looks awesome! I totally feel that hole.
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Post by GeneCreemers on Jan 13, 2023 19:23:56 GMT -5
Oops that was a typo. I meant Hole 12 (the par 5 with the two bunkers in the fairway in the drive/layup position). The 15th looks awesome! I totally feel that hole. Ahhh thanks.
Good comment. I've actually been having a bit of an internal struggle with that hole myself. I love the hole but here's my dilemma. Do I move the bunkers up so that they can be cleared pretty easily even with a little headwind? Or, Do I take the easy route, move the tee up, and turn it into a longish par 4. I like having a traditional par 72 course. Turning it into a par 4 would make the course a par 71.
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Post by fargo on Jan 13, 2023 19:33:19 GMT -5
Oops that was a typo. I meant Hole 12 (the par 5 with the two bunkers in the fairway in the drive/layup position). The 15th looks awesome! I totally feel that hole. Ahhh thanks.
Good comment. I've actually been having a bit of an internal struggle with that hole myself. I love the hole but here's my dilemma. Do I move the bunkers up so that they can be cleared pretty easily even with a little headwind? Or, Do I take the easy route, move the tee up, and turn it into a longish par 4. I like having a traditional par 72 course. Turning it into a par 4 would make the course a par 71.
Sometimes I've created holes with the intention that they are normally par 5s for members, but you're playing them as a long par 4 in this game (as the course might be set up for a tournament). I have no idea if that translates well to other players, but that's my thought process when thinking about the hole and sometimes it helps me think about the hole in a different way, for example hazard placement. Hole 10 at Evelyn is an example of this. |
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Post by GeneCreemers on Jan 14, 2023 12:59:41 GMT -5
bhazen and fargo, thanks both for the advice. I decided to make that hole a long par 4. So I moved the tees up. That change on it's own didn't solve the issue. It just didn't play the way I wanted it to. So I moved the bunkers further out. Well now the bunkers became an issue again. I've been testing with extreme head and tail wind. With the high wind in the face, that green is really tough to reach in 2... even with a solid 3W or 5W.
So I think what I'm going to do, is shorten the entire hole up a bit more, make it a medium length par 4, and slide the bunkers and tee up even further. This way if you have a stiff wind in your face, you can still get home in 2 even if you have to layup before the crossing bunkers. It'll still be a tough shot with extreme headwind (20mph), but you can get there if you club up. With extreme tail wind, you're bombing it out there and leaving PW in your hand. So basically in any wind conditions, you can get to the green in 2.
All that being said, the extreme wind at my back makes this hole a little too easy imo. So I may narrow the landing area a little and add a bunker down one of the sides. This way the player has to think about how much power they need to use off the tee.
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Post by trailducker on Jan 14, 2023 14:20:08 GMT -5
Hey, just letting you know, you might be required to use this for RDC. I don’t believe you are allowed to receive advice like you have been on your WIP for CC. The rules of this are a tad bit murky and as someone saying “this looks good” could be considered advice but generally that’s green allowed. Q and Ben would need to chime in. I just don’t want you to remove yourself from RDC and then not be able to use this for CC.
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Post by fargo on Jan 14, 2023 16:12:47 GMT -5
Hey, just letting you know, you might be required to use this for RDC. I don’t believe you are allowed to receive advice like you have been on your WIP for CC. The rules of this are a tad bit murky and as someone saying “this looks good” could be considered advice but generally that’s green allowed. Q and Ben would need to chime in. I just don’t want you to remove yourself from RDC and then not be able to use this for CC. In the CC info the only reference is one sentence stating "Feel free to make a WIP thread as well", and there is no prohibition to asking for or receiving advice stated in the rules. I agree that it's not as clear as the rookie information which clearly states that advice is allowed and encouraged, but if there's a rule against it then that should be stated. Tagging Q for clarification here |
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Post by GeneCreemers on Jan 14, 2023 18:48:31 GMT -5
trailducker and fargo , totally ok if that's case and I'm not allowed to ask for advice. If I need to be DQ'd from the CC contest because of this, then so be it. I totally get it. There was nothing in the rules stating it (I don't think) so maybe it's more of an unspoken rule that the TGC tour vets abide by? I'm a noob, so I'll keep that in mind moving forward for other contests.
If I'm DQ'd from the CC contest, I would hope I could at least enter this into the Rookie design contest. I'm only an alternate for the CC contest. So I've asked ErixonStone in the rookie signup thread if I can use this course for that contest, if I don't get an alternate spot in CC. Waiting to hear back on that. It would be a shame if I couldn't use this course for either contest.
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Post by Q on Jan 14, 2023 19:58:42 GMT -5
Hey, just letting you know, you might be required to use this for RDC. I don’t believe you are allowed to receive advice like you have been on your WIP for CC. The rules of this are a tad bit murky and as someone saying “this looks good” could be considered advice but generally that’s green allowed. Q and Ben would need to chime in. I just don’t want you to remove yourself from RDC and then not be able to use this for CC. In the CC info the only reference is one sentence stating "Feel free to make a WIP thread as well", and there is no prohibition to asking for or receiving advice stated in the rules. I agree that it's not as clear as the rookie information which clearly states that advice is allowed and encouraged, but if there's a rule against it then that should be stated. Tagging Q for clarification here I left it purposely vague for almost this exact reason. Generally, spirit of "fair" competition would be not utilizing outside help of any kind. I can update the thread to reflect this, but in all honesty the minimal advice given over the forum in this WIP thread doesn't bother me much. Im also not going to go around and DQ people. CC is generally geared more towards newer designers so the rules are a bit more lenient on these points (vs World cup where it's veterans) The only thing I will specifically forbid is betas of any kind. |
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Post by GeneCreemers on Jan 16, 2023 17:59:36 GMT -5
Thanks for the info, and thanks for not DQing me. I'm actually going to DQ myself though.
Q , you can remove me from this contest as an alternate. Golf being a game of integrity, honesty and fairness and all. I wouldn't want any sort of questionable rule issues or things like that hanging over me or the contest. I will be using this course for the Rookie Design Challenge instead. Is there any way I can change my thread title to indicate that?
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