SW/V1.0/F9ONLY

[scottiewalnuts]

hi all

i've got something on the go and i'm at a point where i would absolutely relish some feedback before going much further. i've never published a beta before or asked for WIP feedback, so i'm branching out a bit. if anyone is so inclined to offer their thoughts, constructive criticism, that would be awesome and super appreciated. i'd be curious to know regardless of if you're a casual player, hardcore player, or any level of designer, your thoughts on what you see out there

it's published on PS (may take a bit to show up on other platforms) as SW/V1.0/F9ONLY 

as the name suggests it's just the front 9, back 9 is not even close to where the front 9 is at. minor note there are 3 par 5s on the front (just 1 on the back to balance out)

[fargo]

Hi Scotty, I just played with back tees and pins 1.

The transition shot on the first tee have me a pretty terrible view: some heavy rough and some cart paths. But I think that's where the back 9 is / will be.

1st: looks good off the tee. Maybe the bunkers / waste area on the right could be sculpted a little, it's pretty flat. I can see there's some grass in between the tree / bush sections but due to draw distance you can't actually see that grass off the tee or with scout cam - maybe switch that out for some more buried trees? Maybe also consider building some trees in that grass at the back, or some of the large brown grass that can be seen at a distance. I also wouldn't mind a little more movement on the green personally.
Otherwise nice opener - fairly straight forward par 5 which is a decent way to open a round I think

2 - good hole. Are you going to decorate the far riverbank over the green and disguise the plot boundary?

3 - solid hole

4 - yup nothing wrong with this hole.

5 - I've noticed that all your greens are very flat. I'm not sure if you have plans to add contours later but if not I'd recommend it. This one in particular - the entire green and surrounds are pancake flat, and it's a very big green too. I get that it's a lowlands course but it still need some ground movement. Apart from the green this hole works well.

6 - hole works well, asks questions on both shots. The green complex and fairway approach to the green needs work - it is quite clearly one very flat surface raised up 6 feet or so from another very flat surface. Some more natural land movement which ties the greensite to the natural environment is needed here.

7 - Split fairways are hard to execute well. In this case - what benefit is there from the section on the right? It's narrower than the left side, it runs out at driver distance so you can't hit a full driver, and it offers a worse angle into the green. There's no reason for it to be there. I think this hole need a rethink.

8 - good hole. Sand in the bunkers up by the green could be sculpted a bit more / better.

9. Can see what you're going for here but needs a little work - for me there's no reason to hit driver up the right, yeah you're a little closer to the hole, but knocking a 3 wood down anywhere on the very wide fairway gives a full wedge in. I'd try to think about providing some advantage for going with the riskier driver option, or alternatively make approach more challenging if you take the 3 wood option.

All in all there's some good holes, lots of the course looks good (and I know there's lots to come there as most of the plot is bare). Just would like to see more land movement especially on the greens.

[paddyjk19]

Nov 19, 2022 5:36:46 GMT -5 fargo said:

Hi Scotty, I just played with back tees and pins 1.

The transition shot on the first tee have me a pretty terrible view: some heavy rough and some cart paths. But I think that's where the back 9 is / will be.

1st: looks good off the tee. Maybe the bunkers / waste area on the right could be sculpted a little, it's pretty flat. I can see there's some grass in between the tree / bush sections but due to draw distance you can't actually see that grass off the tee or with scout cam - maybe switch that out for some more buried trees? Maybe also consider building some trees in that grass at the back, or some of the large brown grass that can be seen at a distance. I also wouldn't mind a little more movement on the green personally.
Otherwise nice opener - fairly straight forward par 5 which is a decent way to open a round I think

2 - good hole. Are you going to decorate the far riverbank over the green and disguise the plot boundary?

3 - solid hole

4 - yup nothing wrong with this hole.

5 - I've noticed that all your greens are very flat. I'm not sure if you have plans to add contours later but if not I'd recommend it. This one in particular - the entire green and surrounds are pancake flat, and it's a very big green too. I get that it's a lowlands course but it still need some ground movement. Apart from the green this hole works well.

6 - hole works well, asks questions on both shots. The green complex and fairway approach to the green needs work - it is quite clearly one very flat surface raised up 6 feet or so from another very flat surface. Some more natural land movement which ties the greensite to the natural environment is needed here.

7 - Split fairways are hard to execute well. In this case - what benefit is there from the section on the right? It's narrower than the left side, it runs out at driver distance so you can't hit a full driver, and it offers a worse angle into the green. There's no reason for it to be there. I think this hole need a rethink.

8 - good hole. Sand in the bunkers up by the green could be sculpted a bit more / better.

9. Can see what you're going for here but needs a little work - for me there's no reason to hit driver up the right, yeah you're a little closer to the hole, but knocking a 3 wood down anywhere on the very wide fairway gives a full wedge in. I'd try to think about providing some advantage for going with the riskier driver option, or alternatively make approach more challenging if you take the 3 wood option.

All in all there's some good holes, lots of the course looks good (and I know there's lots to come there as most of the plot is bare). Just would like to see more land movement especially on the greens.

A good case study for some long range grass is b101 with Lachlan Crossing, he laid down some slightly larger yellow grass and then in these patches he’s taken a desert grass from page 4, made it a little bit bigger and then buried it slightly to match the height of the normal yellow grass.

You can’t see the desert grass up close but it provides a long range visual.

You have to bury the base of these grasses otherwise it looks a bit strange at long range

[scottiewalnuts]

hi fargo and paddyjk19

firstly sorry for the delay in seeing this! i've been on the forums but it seems there are no notifications on replies to threads you start!

really appreciate the time taken to check this out and offer feedback.

i'm going to digest this and work on it tonight. i've already made some big improvements since the version you guys played, so that coupled with the feedback and suggestions in this thread should offer an improved version of what you've seen

[scottiewalnuts]

FYI there is a SW/V1.1/F9ONLY beta file now published, however most of the improvements were made before i saw this thread feedback so perhaps hold off until 1.2 is published