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Post by TGC Architect on Sept 6, 2022 12:43:24 GMT -5
Hi all - I'm wondering if there are any people who are willing to create LIDAR plots for other designers. I've had a go with the tool a few times but I'm having trouble with the size of the file when I bring it into 2k21 - it's at 100% with nothing planted or laid out. I don't need any of the textures defined with OpenStreets, just the bare plots. Thanks for the feedback, or even more if you're willing!
I'm looking for a few plots specifically -
- The area north of the Zandvoort Grand Prix Circuit in Zandvoort, Netherlands
- The area north of the Dismal River and east of Hwy 83 in central Nebraska, USA (roughly halfway between Thedford and Stapleton) - Any part of Alibates Flint Quarries National Monument, southwest of Fritch, Texas - The area immediately southeast of Alabaster Caverns State Park (South of Freedom, Oklahoma), specifically Long Creek flood plain and the surrounding cliffs on either side of the river
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Post by yeltzman on Sept 7, 2022 4:01:59 GMT -5
Just curious what size is the course file in your tgc2019 folder?. No idea where to get Dutch Lidar from to be honest, there was a discussion on twitter about the land next to the Honourable Company of Edinburgh Golfers (Muirfield) but again it was a large file and i had no interest doing a fictional course, even then had to mask a lot of the area,i am assuming this is the sort of plot your looking for like this in your areas.   |
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Looking for advice on getting involved with contests, and with critiques of my courses
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Post by TGC Architect on Sept 7, 2022 14:35:08 GMT -5
Yes - that sort of seaside dunes and wetlands terrain is what I'm after. I played with the tool again last night and was able to bring in some plots, but the file sizes are just so big to start, and it makes my high end system laggy. I'm probably going to abandon the idea unless I can find some advice or help, despite how awesome the topography would be. File sizes range from 8mb (small plot) - 16mb (full plot). Do you know if there is any way to remove "objects" from the file? I don't understand the point of keeping tree height data when there are no trees...
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Post by yeltzman on Sept 8, 2022 3:52:21 GMT -5
I have got to be honest i have no idea how it works really, I Think its all down to how much terrain is produced and that creates a large file.Yep the slowness is a real problem and that's why it's very rare to see a Lidar produced course match in detail other courses. Without flyover's in 2k21/2k23 as long as the hole is correct 99.9% of players will have no idea if its lidar or not. Two millions copies sold of 2k21 most have no idea what there playing i am thinking of going back to console to design because my old laptop just can't cope with the lidar these days and how i want to make them.
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Post by sandgroper on Sept 8, 2022 8:04:36 GMT -5
Every LiDAR point in the file is the same as a sculpting click.
Depending on the point density being gathered, the lidar can gather around 970,000 points per second.
Point density will typically be in the range 0.5m to 5m.
Here’s the rub, the higher the point density, the better sculpting will be, but also creates huge files.
Ideally you want low density for fairways as they tend to have less severe slopes, and higher on the greens where it counts.
But if you grab a big swath of land the file size will be massive and introduce lag in planting and playing, filling up the meter before you even start.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Sept 8, 2022 10:33:06 GMT -5
Maybe make the plot smaller or mask out more areas, if you check the fill background and remove cliffs box it will auto fill the red masked areas with relative hills and will use less file size than LiDAR
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Post by paddyjk19 on Sept 8, 2022 13:39:29 GMT -5
Just curious what size is the course file in your tgc2019 folder?. No idea where to get Dutch Lidar from to be honest, there was a discussion on twitter about the land next to the Honourable Company of Edinburgh Golfers (Muirfield) but again it was a large file and i had no interest doing a fictional course, even then had to mask a lot of the area,i am assuming this is the sort of plot your looking for like this in your areas. Hey Yeltz! Do you have this plot on file? Would love to take a look at it! |
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Post by BaconJunkie1 on Sept 8, 2022 19:29:23 GMT -5
Maybe make the plot smaller or mask out more areas, if you check the fill background and remove cliffs box it will auto fill the red masked areas with relative hills and will use less file size than LiDAR That's exactly what's happening, the plot is too big and causing the file size to balloon. I've done several of these and they are all about 5,700 kb. |
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Post by BaconJunkie1 on Sept 8, 2022 19:52:04 GMT -5
You will have to get your plot size down to just enough of the plot that you want, to do this you can use Google Map's measuring tool, go to the Sat view, right click and use the measure distance option, click a point and then click the other point, you can move the ends to get the distance you want. It measures in meters which sucks for us but there is an extension you can install in Chrome that converts the meters to yards when you mouse hover over the box that shows the distance. Chrome Extension ... there is a video on there showing how to use it chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/meters-to-yards-for-googl/fehdolmkeikekigjpejakkhpjhhbeejjThe more elevation changes there are, the larger the course file will be. If you try to do the stock plot size, you will get what you have been getting, do about 65-70% of the stock plot size, then 'shift terrain' in chads to get the plot where you want it, then manipulate the otter edges of the plot to match the inner part that you selected. Holler if you need more help, I'll gladly get on Discord, share my screenand show you or walk you through it. Stock Plot Size Across: 2187.23 Yards 1.242 Miles 6561 Feet 1999 Meters Stock Diagonal Size 3093.21 Yards 1.757 Miles 9279 Feet 2828 Meters St Croix  South Devon coastline  |
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Post by paddyjk19 on Sept 9, 2022 5:07:18 GMT -5
You will have to get your plot size down to just enough of the plot that you want, to do this you can use Google Map's measuring tool, go to the Sat view, right click and use the measure distance option, click a point and then click the other point, you can move the ends to get the distance you want. It measures in meters which sucks for us but there is an extension you can install in Chrome that converts the meters to yards when you mouse hover over the box that shows the distance. Chrome Extension ... there is a video on there showing how to use it chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/meters-to-yards-for-googl/fehdolmkeikekigjpejakkhpjhhbeejjThe more elevation changes there are, the larger the course file will be. If you try to do the stock plot size, you will get what you have been getting, do about 65-70% of the stock plot size, then 'shift terrain' in chads to get the plot where you want it, then manipulate the otter edges of the plot to match the inner part that you selected. Holler if you need more help, I'll gladly get on Discord, share my screenand show you or walk you through it. Stock Plot Size Across: 2187.23 Yards 1.242 Miles 6561 Feet 1999 Meters Stock Diagonal Size 3093.21 Yards 1.757 Miles 9279 Feet 2828 Meters St Croix South Devon coastline Great advice! Another little tricks is to mark each corner of the measured square or rectangle with a large splined putting green on OSM (doesn’t matter if this is on the middle of a road, trees or buildings) so that when you load the plot in chads tool you’ll see four greens appear on the photo image when you draw the red square around the intended plot. Just make sure once you’ve imported to go back and delete these fake greens before the folks at OSM loose their heads at you. Just make sure the greens don’t merge with points from footpaths or roads etc as this would ruin other peoples work on the maps. Sure way to get banned! |
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Post by yeltzman on Sept 9, 2022 5:49:03 GMT -5
I Still have it in TGC2019 with many others its a large file 9,363 kb if you want it just confirm your email in a PM,not sure if its the same one i have from before. I think at the Top there's some lidar for the renaissance club but its from 2011 and when i looked at the course nothing like the 2022 scottish open version still wonder where HB/2k got there lidar because from the pics course out of date.Crying shame about pot bunkers not being in the designer.   |
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Post by sandgroper on Sept 9, 2022 6:31:53 GMT -5
“It measures in meters which sucks for us” Yea, the sooner you guys move into the 20th century. The better for all of us 😂 |
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TGC Architect
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Looking for advice on getting involved with contests, and with critiques of my courses
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Post by TGC Architect on Sept 9, 2022 9:43:35 GMT -5
Thank you guys so much - your advice has been helpful and encouraging. I've been experimenting and getting better results with the tips you've shared.
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TGC Architect
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Looking for advice on getting involved with contests, and with critiques of my courses
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Post by TGC Architect on Sept 9, 2022 9:53:17 GMT -5
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Post by paddyjk19 on Sept 10, 2022 8:36:30 GMT -5
I Still have it in TGC2019 with many others its a large file 9,363 kb if you want it just confirm your email in a PM,not sure if its the same one i have from before. I think at the Top there's some lidar for the renaissance club but its from 2011 and when i looked at the course nothing like the 2022 scottish open version still wonder where HB/2k got there lidar because from the pics course out of date.Crying shame about pot bunkers not being in the designer. Thanks Yeltzman, ended up pulling it in myself but thanks for the offer! Hopefully we get the pot bunkers soon, my view is they just need to create a splinable layer that sits under the bunker in priority level. That way we could just add it around the outside and sculpt accordingly. They would however need to give us a spline width less than 1.7 which would be a good thing anyway, paths are too wide anyway! |
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