Splitting CC into 3 tours

[Cecil Harvey]

*think the skill gap between the bottom and lower tiers is so wide*

*CC Gold. (Keep group sizes same, 4 tiers within. Current CC A-D)
CC Silver (“, 4 tiers, Current CC E-H)
CC Bronze ( “, 4 Tiers, Current CC I-L)*

You can't simultaneously acknowledge the much wider gap in the lower tiers and then also want to equally separate them to where the lowest of 3 tiers would be a much wider gap top to bottom than the other two tiers.

Edit: The bell curve starts within the Pro tours at the Platinum tour, then goes through the Pro tours, throughout the CC tours, and ends on the back end of the 2-3 tours on CC that are the back end of the bell curve.

[Cecil Harvey]

Feb 7, 2022 1:22:15 GMT -5 blindwolfgolf said:

Feb 7, 2022 1:14:06 GMT -5 Cecil Harvey said:

*think the skill gap between the bottom and lower tiers is so wide*

*CC Gold. (Keep group sizes same, 4 tiers within. Current CC A-D)
CC Silver (“, 4 tiers, Current CC E-H)
CC Bronze ( “, 4 Tiers, Current CC I-L)*

You can't simultaneously acknowledge the much wider gap in the lower tiers and then also want to equally separate them to where the lowest of 3 tiers would be a much wider gap top to bottom than the other two tiers.

Sorry, think I didn't clarify it well enough. What I meant was having 4 tiers within each CC Tour. 

Would look something like this: 

Current Tour/Tier-> New Tier

CC-A -> Gold-A        
CC-B -> Gold-B
CC-C -> Gold-C
CC-D -> Gold D

CC-E -> Silver A
CC-F -> Silver B
CC-G -> Silver C
CC-H -> Silver D

CC-I -> Bronze A
CC-J -> Bronze B
CC-K -> Bronze C
CC-L -> Bronze D

Just an idea, don't really expect it to happen & thought it was an interesting discussion. 

Edit: Then each division (gold silver bronze) could have their own scheduling and conditions as the players of similar skill would be grouped together as opposed to one giant basket of all CC with same courses/conditions

We used to have two split courses/scheduling within the CC tiers for the top half and bottom half. It was combined back into one for simplicity's sake.

While ideally what you propose sounds good in a theoretical sense, note that TGCTours may not even survive into a next season as an Admin has stated that they need to meet the yearly donation goal to move forward. You are proposing a reasonable plan going forward, but the actual path going forward is just to get TGCTours to survive, at the moment, IMO, in a monetary sense.  I don't think this is understood enough.

[Deleted]

We have about 50 f***ing flights on these tours but 1 single flight on TST, the best tour here by a country mile and the only one that has some remote challenge on Pro difficulty. It is laughable really.

[Brenelan]

Feb 19, 2022 17:09:48 GMT -5 hammers1man said:

We have about 50 f***ing flights on these tours but 1 single flight on TST, the best tour here by a country mile and the only one that has some remote challenge on Pro difficulty. It is laughable really.

There were more participants in CC-L alone this week than TST. Adding flights there makes zero sense until there's much more participation.

[greyosprey]

I'd love to see TST get a 2nd society. There's already a TBD society hanging out there. Combine the pro tours into 1 society and subdivide it like the heard of cattle called CC and that frees up 2 more societies. There could be a 2nd TST, an additional CC society, and maybe a Legends society. TST and USE are a far better experience than pro difficulty aids golf.

CC is a mess when it comes to people being in the correct tier. Every week, you see scores at lower CC tiers that could easily compete at higher CC tiers. I get it, CC is there to be "fillers" (and hopefully donate) but there are players in CC-B, C, D, and E, that would be top 25 in A. This last weeks to 25 for each of the CC's:

A -53 to -46 (10th place -51)
B -52 to -42 (10th place -46 top 25 in A; -42 top 50 in A)
C -49 to -39 (10th place -42 top 25 in B; -39 top 50 in B)
D -51 to -39 (10th place -44 top 25 in B; -39 top 50 in B)
E -50 to -37 (10th place -42 top 25 in B; -37 top 52 in B; top 35 in C)
F -45 to -34 (10th place -39 top 25 in C; -34 top 50 in C)
G -43 to -32 (10th place -36)
H -43 to -31 (10th place -36)
I -40 to -28 (10th place -33)
J -39 to -22 (10th place -27)
K -37 to -18 (10th place -25)
L -32 to -12 (10th place -18)

Off to play USE PRO/Masters societies.

[oswinner]

It’s a good idea if the skill gap is that noticeable.

However, I’d rather have a masters TST society so I could play TGCTours events again.

6 in-game society slots. Something like;

TGCTOURS LEGEND
-Legend Swing with assists

TGCTOURS MASTERS
-Masters Swing with assists

TGCTOURS PRO
-Pro Swing with assists

TGCTOURS LEGEND (TST)
-Legend Swing with no assists

TGCTOURS MASTERS (TST)
-Masters Swing with no assists

TGCTOURS PRO (TST)
-Pro Swing with no assists

And then flight them accordingly. The legend difficulty ones (probably not needed to be fair, maybe just Masters and Pro) would only need one flight but the pro ones will more than likely need multiple ones. 200 or so in each flight, so if there is 2000 players playing the Pro society each week then 10 divisions needed. No need for fancy names like Platinum etc - just Division 1 to Division 10.

-No mid-tournament cuts
-Winners get promoted
-Top-10s get promotion mark
-3 promotion marks and you’re promoted
-Top-50 wipe demotion marks
-Below Top-100 earns demotion mark
-3 demotion marks and you’re demoted
-Do not finish you are ineligible for next event
(just brainstorming)

XBoxers that hate playing Masters can play Pro. Those that like playing Masters or even Legend swing can play those. Win/win for everyone.

[SkyBlueBen]

It's OK coming up with these ideas and they make for interesting reading but at the end of the day someone has to organise it, set it up, code it and most importantly FUND it. TGCT may not go beyond this season without that funding making all suggestions irrelevant. We are into March and still a way short....

[oswinner]

You’re right. We’re doomed. I’ll stop making suggestions and brainstorming ideas and go back to offline career mode.

[SkyBlueBen]

Mar 3, 2022 5:31:43 GMT -5 oswinner said:

You’re right. We’re doomed. I’ll stop making suggestions and brainstorming ideas and go back to offline career mode.

No need to be dramatic. It's a valid point. I'm not knocking the suggestions, some good stuff in there, it's just that is was made clear at the start of the season the site needs supporting. Simply pointing that out. If you enjoy the offline career mode fair play. 

[Cecil Harvey]

Mar 3, 2022 5:31:43 GMT -5 oswinner said:

You’re right. We’re doomed. I’ll stop making suggestions and brainstorming ideas and go back to offline career mode.

Am only going to point out that any suggestion made pertaining to TGCTours is a moot point if funding is still met at a shortfall for this year.

An Admin has stated within this season that it will be the end if they have to continue to pay for the shortfall after this season.

That is the point being made. It isn't to minimize any suggestions, etc. you have towards what happens here at TGCTours.

[Deleted]

Mar 10, 2022 21:52:50 GMT -5 Cecil Harvey said:

Mar 3, 2022 5:31:43 GMT -5 oswinner said:

You’re right. We’re doomed. I’ll stop making suggestions and brainstorming ideas and go back to offline career mode.

Am only going to point out that any suggestion made pertaining to TGCTours is a moot point if funding is still met at a shortfall for this year.

An Admin has stated within this season that it will be the end if they have to continue to pay for the shortfall after this season.

That is the point being made. It isn't to minimize any suggestions, etc. you have towards what happens here at TGCTours.

I would happily pay £20 a month for a real sim Master difficulty tour here on TGCTours. There is work just keeping a small niche ultra sim tour going and just being able to play just play my rounds in the great set up they have here would be awesome. Wow there are a lot of people playing here, surprised they are short of their target.
People need to support the site if they want it to last. Don't let a good thing die I say.

[JosiaDB]

I was quite happy paying $5-$10 or so a quarter to play a year or so ago.  That may not seem like much to some, but I don't make much and its what I could afford.   If 1500 people did that this site would have plenty of money to work with.

The reason I stopped paying anything, is because I stopped playing the main tours.  Its a great idea, I love the concept and way it does, but...  they don't offer what I wanted, so there is no reason to pay for something if I'm not gonna use it.  I'm not gonna pay for 1000 other people to play something I don't want to play.

I know there was lots of polls and discussions on the matter, and majority rules, and thats all cool and ok.    But being a person that has watched discussions and personalities for several years now, it just seems to me that things are being catered to the majority of people that sponge and won't pay anything, instead of the fewer people that would actually pay and support monetarily.  

I may be wrong, but thats the my perception of things.