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Post by icarus on Dec 29, 2021 11:05:23 GMT -5
Hi there I'd like to suggest that next year the higher tours (Platinum etc.) be set to Legend level, with the Challenge Circuit set to Master and the Beer League to Pro. The game is just too easy at Pro level and so massively unrealistic. On the PGA Tour there have only ever been 12 rounds by professionals in the 50s, with 11 of those at 59 and only one ever at 58. Whereas, it's not unusual to see four rounds in the 50s from some players. This week one player has scored a 51 on their first round. I'm not great at this game, but that's okay as I'm not great at the real game either. I just want it to feel real and with these scores it doesn't. The top PGA players regularly miss fairways and have to scramble for pars, whereas the best in this game are scoring more than -18 on one round. It's nuts. I'm happy to struggle around at Master level, missing fairways and struggling for pars, as it feels real and I'm proud when I break par on a round. Thanks for listening  |
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Post by bennettbong on Jan 7, 2022 13:51:58 GMT -5
I agree!!!
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Post by mc23 on Jan 22, 2022 18:27:40 GMT -5
We played master on all tours except beer league for years ... this year when 2k decided to change swing mechanics mid game tgc went with the flow and made things a little easier.I would assume next season on the new game will be back to master... I haven't played master in months now but the swing plane was very inconsistent is why they went away from it if I remember correctly
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Post by stadiumrocker on Jan 23, 2022 12:21:53 GMT -5
I understand the train of thought behind the switch to Pro swing but the take up by Xbox players, particularly on the Platinum tour is not there. Last week there were 4 Xbox players in a field of 151 Platinum players. Players were never shooting sub 56 on Master swing on this tour. Now there are occasions when you have to shoot these scores to remain competitive or even make the cut. The biggest mistake was not widening the cut line to say, the top 75/ 80 in the field each week. This at least makes it interesting and achievable, each week, for those without the inclination to practice to try and shoot sub 56 to be competitive. What has happened is a huge bottleneck inside the top 30-40 separated by 2 or 3 shots. Look at the volume of players that have stopped playing within each division. Widen the cut mark and make it interesting and enjoyable again for the majority of players that play for fun.
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Post by b101 on Jan 23, 2022 12:30:00 GMT -5
Easy to second guess. How it happened:
1) Significantly declining participation due to Master swing difficulty post red fast nerf
2) TGCTours decide to switch to Pro swing to get more people back on tours
3) HB drop a patch with no warning making the game significantly easier. They could have informed, but didn't. We are locked in for the season.
Sure, there may be changes next season, but worth bearing in mind that the Pro swing decision was probably the right one at the time. Shame the goalposts were moved immediately after without warning.
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Post by martbloke on Jan 23, 2022 15:08:37 GMT -5
Easy to second guess. How it happened: 1) Significantly declining participation due to Master swing difficulty post red fast nerf 2) TGCTours decide to switch to Pro swing to get more people back on tours 3) HB drop a patch with no warning making the game significantly easier. They could have informed, but didn't. We are locked in for the season. Sure, there may be changes next season, but worth bearing in mind that the Pro swing decision was probably the right one at the time. Shame the goalposts were moved immediately after without warning. My question is, why is it locked in for the season? I can't actually remember but did the season start on Pro or was that change half way through? Anyways, what I'm saying is, it doesn't have to be locked for the whole season. Things can change if they wanted especially considering how great the Master swing plays now. It's really enjoyable and that's from an Xbox player. Of course if numbers of active players are still high and those bored of the setting are still playing despite how they feel about it, why would they change it? |
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Post by donkeypuncherben on Jan 23, 2022 15:57:53 GMT -5
It would get harder but master swing won't stop rounds in the 50s from the top guys if that's your end goal.
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Post by Brenelan on Jan 24, 2022 14:10:57 GMT -5
It would get harder but master swing won't stop rounds in the 50s from the top guys if that's your end goal. Agree, Master swing is going to likely diminish the number of people who play again. I think the top-end players are the squeaky wheels here, but wonder if there are many others who are happy to be able to make a few cuts now. |
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Post by ErixonStone on Jan 25, 2022 10:39:27 GMT -5
Easy to second guess. How it happened: 1) Significantly declining participation due to Master swing difficulty post red fast nerf 2) TGCTours decide to switch to Pro swing to get more people back on tours 3) HB drop a patch with no warning making the game significantly easier. They could have informed, but didn't. We are locked in for the season. Sure, there may be changes next season, but worth bearing in mind that the Pro swing decision was probably the right one at the time. Shame the goalposts were moved immediately after without warning. More than that, there is still a huge difference among XBox, PC and PS in terms of difficulty of achieving Perfect downswing tempo. We can argue which platform plays the best, but the fact remains that there is a competitive advantage to being on PS. We've analyzed the data over a long time, and it's clear that PS has a distinct advantage and XBox has a distinct disadvantage. That's another reason TGCT switched to Pro, and, so far, it has helped close the gap to some degree. When push came to shove, the community decided cross-platform tournaments were more important than the difficulty setting. |
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Post by martbloke on Jan 26, 2022 5:57:45 GMT -5
Easy to second guess. How it happened: 1) Significantly declining participation due to Master swing difficulty post red fast nerf 2) TGCTours decide to switch to Pro swing to get more people back on tours 3) HB drop a patch with no warning making the game significantly easier. They could have informed, but didn't. We are locked in for the season. Sure, there may be changes next season, but worth bearing in mind that the Pro swing decision was probably the right one at the time. Shame the goalposts were moved immediately after without warning. More than that, there is still a huge difference among XBox, PC and PS in terms of difficulty of achieving Perfect downswing tempo. We can argue which platform plays the best, but the fact remains that there is a competitive advantage to being on PS. We've analyzed the data over a long time, and it's clear that PS has a distinct advantage and XBox has a distinct disadvantage. That's another reason TGCT switched to Pro, and, so far, it has helped close the gap to some degree. When push came to shove, the community decided cross-platform tournaments were more important than the difficulty setting. It would nice to see a poll on what people think now they have the taste of playing boring Pro for weeks. Would they still prefer the easy difficulty just to be competitive or would they suck up the difference and want the harder difficulty to get more skill and enjoyment out of the game while competing albeit potentially in a lower division? I know what I'd pick and I'm on Xbox but I know there are a lot of peeps who prefer to be winning or near there no matter how simple and boring the swing is to them - it intrigues me. Just a wondering that's all and not saying what you've said is incorrect. |
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Post by thetaffman on Jan 26, 2022 8:36:57 GMT -5
What about more difficult courses? We recently played Caterfae CC over 4 rounds following TGCTours ruleset and arguably some of the best xbox players in TGCTours, only 3 got to and beyond -30 for the 4 rounds with the best being -32. I had to fight and concentrate so much to be E after 2 rounds and it felt so good having to put the effort in and getting par on a hole can be and should be a good score.
However, this is probably a better option in private society's which only cater for a smaller amount of people, say less than 80 people, whereas TGCTours have to cater for on CC well over 1200 of not more, so they have to make it accessible for a huge range of standards from PlayStation Perfects to Xbox Tempo Tantrums with everything inbetween... This means that some people won't play, especially if they are at the lower end of standards, if a course is too hard and they're not being successful and getting birdies, so the job TGCTours have can be at times, I imagine, a difficult and impossible one
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Post by martbloke on Jan 27, 2022 14:28:50 GMT -5
What about more difficult courses? We recently played Caterfae CC over 4 rounds following TGCTours ruleset and arguably some of the best xbox players in TGCTours, only 3 got to and beyond -30 for the 4 rounds with the best being -32. I had to fight and concentrate so much to be E after 2 rounds and it felt so good having to put the effort in and getting par on a hole can be and should be a good score.However, this is probably a better option in private society's which only cater for a smaller amount of people, say less than 80 people, whereas TGCTours have to cater for on CC well over 1200 of not more, so they have to make it accessible for a huge range of standards from PlayStation Perfects to Xbox Tempo Tantrums with everything inbetween... This means that some people won't play, especially if they are at the lower end of standards, if a course is too hard and they're not being successful and getting birdies, so the job TGCTours have can be at times, I imagine, a difficult and impossible one That there in bold is golf and that's why people are getting bored of Pro as it's too easy tee to green; so much so it's brain numbing. The challenge is what makes things fun and atm for me on Xbox, Master swing is just great for this. It also brings back some more skill into the game so when you do score well, it's because of your skill not that the swing is easy and hard to get wrong. Legend (as the OP suggested for the top tours) is extremely difficult and probably borderline frustrating at times so think that may be a bit too far as you need that balance. But hey, I will never be that high as I like to play (played - past tense as Pro is not for me) my own way which means challenging peeps in the lower CC divisions and I am happy with that, so maybe Legend is a proper challenge for them, who knows. |
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Post by Brenelan on Jan 27, 2022 17:25:34 GMT -5
This is so odd - the whole point of TGC is that it's tournament play. Unless you all are Brodie Howe logging in under different usernames, isn't there still some challenge?
I guess my question is: if it's too easy, how are there so many people in CC-A through CC-J?
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Post by sandgroper on Jan 28, 2022 7:50:10 GMT -5
What’s wrong with cc-k?
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Post by Brenelan on Jan 28, 2022 10:12:54 GMT -5
I'm in CC-J, so just assumed that's the lowest tier. 😄😄 |
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