WIP - Rookie Contest - 'Kelpie Myst' - 'Beta km3'

[zacheroni]

2 comments on this right here.

1.) The haze on holes 1 and 2 caused me to not be able to see the fairway.

2.) There were a couple of yellow pins on the default 171

Anyways, GL in the competition!

[cd06]

Dec 23, 2021 8:13:07 GMT -5 zacheroni said:

2 comments on this right here.

1.) The haze on holes 1 and 2 caused me to not be able to see the fairway.

2.) There were a couple of yellow pins on the default 171

Anyways, GL in the competition!

Yellow pins on 171s are fine

[Bob334OH]

Dec 23, 2021 8:13:07 GMT -5 zacheroni said:

2 comments on this right here.

1.) The haze on holes 1 and 2 caused me to not be able to see the fairway.

2.) There were a couple of yellow pins on the default 171

Anyways, GL in the competition!

thanks for the play and feedback Zach. yeah,  the haze is bad going into the sun but I like the effect elsewhere.

[Bob334OH]

Dec 23, 2021 9:00:48 GMT -5 cd06 said:

Dec 23, 2021 8:13:07 GMT -5 zacheroni said:

2 comments on this right here.

1.) The haze on holes 1 and 2 caused me to not be able to see the fairway.

2.) There were a couple of yellow pins on the default 171

Anyways, GL in the competition!

Yellow pins on 171s are fine

thanks, for the play and comment Charlie.

[retteach]

Hey Bob,

Played your course twice from the back tees and enjoyed it.As you know, I am a rookie as well, so I don't claim to be good at critiques.This may be longwinded, but I know you will appreciate feedback, as I do. Overall the course is very playable and consistent in what you were trying to create.I liked the colours you chose for fairway and green(they compliment).Although you tend to go with softer slopes on greens, which seem realistic to me and they seemed logical in most places fitting in with the contours of the layout, but I found your red slope runoffs on the green edges a bit too severe.I found your camber on some holes a bit severe and found myself off the fairway from bounces.The overall course things I would work on are:
1. Too overcast or too much fog creating an odd look when you look out over the water. 2.Some spots need more trees- when you look out at certain spots it seems a bit barren 3. More planting of bushes and shrubs over all the course to soften trees and hide rough edges.4. Some tees need flattening


Now the course hole by hole:#1- bunker edges are sharp - soften and smooth, crowned pin has no movement, tee needs flattening.
#2- Good sight lines, well framed, nice pond, fairway trees need under planting, don't care for the bunkers with green spots throughout the course, unless you want them as waste bunkers and plant bushes in them.
#3-back of green is bland, strong fairway camber, bare to the right.
#4- Nice looking hole, awkward sculpt to the left of the green, front bunker where the rough meets the green is odd.
#5-Needs up front planting to frame hole better before the fairway starts, left bunker has too severe a slope, green might have too much yellow slope.
#6- really like this hole, good look to the left but add some bush planting, back of green seems bare, love the natural right to left sloping.
#7- The extended fairway on the left seems unnecessary, great overall view and like the framing, bunker to the right need sculpting,2 waste bunkers need more planting, roll off on the right might be too severe.
#8-Nice drive and overall look but 4 bunkers lined up the way they are doesn't look natural for your course style, more planting on the water's edge.
#9- Fairway around green should be more uniform in size, need more fairway in front of the green to allow a bounce in shot, camber on the fairway is a bit strong, too open on left.
#10- good framing, clear look, needs planting.
#12- good look and framed well, nice planting by water, strong camber.
#14- Nice look of next hole as you approach green, left bunker not really in play.
#15- can't see bunkers well, lighthouse looks too clean, green has too much red, love idol on the right and the lighthouse.
#16- good camber overall, front right needs more.
#17- Drop off is severe on the right, is there a mesquite tree on the left that is supposed to be there?
#18- The horse and mist/steam don't seem to fit.

With all this said, I enjoyed the round and focused on things to work on. I hope it didn't seem negative, but I know you are looking for feedback and the less knowns often can't get enough to work on. I have published my course Capers Bay and am looking forward to what you think.

Troy

[Bob334OH]

Jan 3, 2022 20:22:42 GMT -5 retteach said:

Hey Bob,

Played your course twice from the back tees and enjoyed it.As you know, I am a rookie as well, so I don't claim to be good at critiques.This may be longwinded, but I know you will appreciate feedback, as I do. Overall the course is very playable and consistent in what you were trying to create.I liked the colours you chose for fairway and green(they compliment).Although you tend to go with softer slopes on greens, which seem realistic to me and they seemed logical in most places fitting in with the contours of the layout, but I found your red slope runoffs on the green edges a bit too severe.I found your camber on some holes a bit severe and found myself off the fairway from bounces.The overall course things I would work on are:
1. Too overcast or too much fog creating an odd look when you look out over the water. 2.Some spots need more trees- when you look out at certain spots it seems a bit barren 3. More planting of bushes and shrubs over all the course to soften trees and hide rough edges.4. Some tees need flattening


Now the course hole by hole:#1- bunker edges are sharp - soften and smooth, crowned pin has no movement, tee needs flattening.
#2- Good sight lines, well framed, nice pond, fairway trees need under planting, don't care for the bunkers with green spots throughout the course, unless you want them as waste bunkers and plant bushes in them.
#3-back of green is bland, strong fairway camber, bare to the right.
#4- Nice looking hole, awkward sculpt to the left of the green, front bunker where the rough meets the green is odd.
#5-Needs up front planting to frame hole better before the fairway starts, left bunker has too severe a slope, green might have too much yellow slope.
#6- really like this hole, good look to the left but add some bush planting, back of green seems bare, love the natural right to left sloping.
#7- The extended fairway on the left seems unnecessary, great overall view and like the framing, bunker to the right need sculpting,2 waste bunkers need more planting, roll off on the right might be too severe.
#8-Nice drive and overall look but 4 bunkers lined up the way they are doesn't look natural for your course style, more planting on the water's edge.
#9- Fairway around green should be more uniform in size, need more fairway in front of the green to allow a bounce in shot, camber on the fairway is a bit strong, too open on left.
#10- good framing, clear look, needs planting.
#12- good look and framed well, nice planting by water, strong camber.
#14- Nice look of next hole as you approach green, left bunker not really in play.
#15- can't see bunkers well, lighthouse looks too clean, green has too much red, love idol on the right and the lighthouse.
#16- good camber overall, front right needs more.
#17- Drop off is severe on the right, is there a mesquite tree on the left that is supposed to be there?
#18- The horse and mist/steam don't seem to fit.

With all this said, I enjoyed the round and focused on things to work on. I hope it didn't seem negative, but I know you are looking for feedback and the less knowns often can't get enough to work on. I have published my course Capers Bay and am looking forward to what you think.

Troy

[Bob334OH]

Hey Troy,
Thanks for the play and feedback - critical helps me get better. Really appreciate it.
Good insight about the grassy areas within the bunkers - removed most of them - will clean up the rest. Most of your observations I had noticed also such as the bare look behind #3 and penal fairway camber, and left bunker on #14 not it play. Glad you noticed the 'theme idol' on #15.

Great attention to detail with a teacher's eye and helpful suggestions. Will get to work making it better. Thanks for the time and help to a fellow 'rookie'. Will play yours again tomorrow with feedback to follow.

BOB

[crio]

There seems to be a big delay in your courses getting published. I tried searching for your 3rd iteration (km3) and your 2nd iteration (km2) but couldn't find either of them, so I'm playing KM1 for this feedback.

Also I'm a pretty new designer myself with only 1 approved course on TGCTours, so take my advice with a few grains of salt. 

Looks pretty good, I like the theme you've gone with and the textures/style of course.

Here's a couple of small things that could be improved that I noticed throughout the round:

1. There's a couple bunkers that could use a bit of extra sculpting (the 2 bunkers to the left of 6 stood out to me as examples of ones that needed a bit of extra sculpting). 

2. There's a spot short of 11 green that's super steep in to the big front bunker (which I don't mind), but there's fair going halfway down the slope, where it would probably look better if the fairway stayed on top and the steep slope was heavy rough. 

3. The blue tee box on 14 is a pretty heavy downslope, could probably flatten that out a bit. 


Other than those 3 things (and the stuff mentioned above by others), I really like your planting style, it seems pretty cohesive with the grasses and trees and rocks you've chosen, and the playability of it was really solid as well, I really like the plot you've created and what you've done with it. There were a few holes with some pretty large greens that probably didn't need to be as big as they were, but that's more of a personal opinion.

Good luck in the contest!    

[Bob334OH]

Jan 12, 2022 14:16:51 GMT -5 crio said:

There seems to be a big delay in your courses getting published. I tried searching for your 3rd iteration (km3) and your 2nd iteration (km2) but couldn't find either of them, so I'm playing KM1 for this feedback.

Also I'm a pretty new designer myself with only 1 approved course on TGCTours, so take my advice with a few grains of salt. 

Looks pretty good, I like the theme you've gone with and the textures/style of course.

Here's a couple of small things that could be improved that I noticed throughout the round:

1. There's a couple bunkers that could use a bit of extra sculpting (the 2 bunkers to the left of 6 stood out to me as examples of ones that needed a bit of extra sculpting). 

2. There's a spot short of 11 green that's super steep in to the big front bunker (which I don't mind), but there's fair going halfway down the slope, where it would probably look better if the fairway stayed on top and the steep slope was heavy rough. 

3. The blue tee box on 14 is a pretty heavy downslope, could probably flatten that out a bit. 


Other than those 3 things (and the stuff mentioned above by others), I really like your planting style, it seems pretty cohesive with the grasses and trees and rocks you've chosen, and the playability of it was really solid as well, I really like the plot you've created and what you've done with it. There were a few holes with some pretty large greens that probably didn't need to be as big as they were, but that's more of a personal opinion.

Good luck in the contest!    

Hey Crio,

       Thanks for the play through and feedback.  Not sure about the delay, I was able to access both beta publishes almost immediately - just put in 'km3' and it should be the first one.

  Agree with all your feedback.  Great finds on the bunkers on #6 and especially the bunker and sculpting in front of #11 green.  Sending the construction crews back out to fix.  

                                                                                                                  thanks again, 

                                                                                                                             Bob