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Post by zooby97 on Oct 1, 2021 9:24:33 GMT -5
This doesn’t change the initial reason why we moved to pro in the first place… it didn’t change anything about the gray fast zone, just the penalty level. So for the reason why we moved to pro hasn’t changed… so neither should we. Moving to pro is still the right move. It’s just like we said… we won’t see much increase in scores at the top, but it brings a whole bunch more people Into the fold. Those who worried about needing to shoot -70’s to win are being shown to be unwarrented I think the concern will come from what was mentioned in a previous post...sure, winning scores might not change too much, but now just making cuts requires almost a prefect round since, as you said, more people are "into the fold". This is more so the case, now that penalties are not as severe and the settings are on Pro. It's just gonna be a ton of lower scores, and even these "good" rounds are going to cause people to get cut and get demotion marks. That doesn't seem fun, either. It's all just moving the goalposts. The top players would still be the top players no matter what the settings are….that goes for all tiers. Skill level can take you only so far and that is with the Pro settings. The lower skill level players will obviously get a boost but the better players get a boost as well. If you were a cut line chaser last season you will probably still be a cut line chaser now. For myself I just play the best I can each week and see where the chips fall. I’ll have some good weeks and some bad, I can’t worry about more players in the tours now. Competition will better after the week 1 qualifying as they will populate more of the tiers and that is always good for the Tours anyway….
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Post by sroel908 on Oct 1, 2021 9:31:50 GMT -5
I think the concern will come from what was mentioned in a previous post...sure, winning scores might not change too much, but now just making cuts requires almost a prefect round since, as you said, more people are "into the fold". This is more so the case, now that penalties are not as severe and the settings are on Pro. It's just gonna be a ton of lower scores, and even these "good" rounds are going to cause people to get cut and get demotion marks. That doesn't seem fun, either. It's all just moving the goalposts. The top players would still be the top players no matter what the settings are….that goes for all tiers. Skill level can take you only so far and that is with the Pro settings. The lower skill level players will obviously get a boost but the better players get a boost as well. If you were a cut line chaser last season you will probably still be a cut line chaser now. For myself I just play the best I can each week and see where the chips fall. I’ll have some good weeks and some bad, I can’t worry about more players in the tours now. Competition will better after the week 1 qualifying as they will populate more of the tiers and that is always good for the Tours anyway…. That's not necessarily the case...I know from my own experience! I've posted this before, but my best score last season was a round of 69. I think I made only one or two cuts. This season, just in the first event, I posted a -38 total score, and will get a top-10 finish in CC-I.
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Post by zooby97 on Oct 1, 2021 9:43:00 GMT -5
I wouldn't put much stock in tour balance until at least week 4. I think the problem that some are anticipating is that as the tour balances out, some people will get demoted and will be turned off by the fact that they shot what appeared to be good scores and still got demoted. If they're patient, they'll stick around until they land on a tour where they fit in, but some may be turned off by a demotion (or two or three) and give up before that happens. And there's probably an even smaller (possibly much smaller) group who doesn't consider shooting around 60 in every round to be fun. I'm part of that group and not sure I'll be sticking around if every course plays as easy on pro swing as this week's CC course. If everybody has a goal to make Platinum or Pro Tours then the demotion and promo marks really matter.. But with all of the tiers in the Tours everybody will be set in their proper tiers after a few weeks or so. Why would people quit if you go down a tier? That makes no sense as that is where you should probably be anyway and that particular tier would be conducive for better scoring and promo marks…now if you get demoted to CC-L and then get demo marks and sent back to qualifying then I’d understand those particular players. But IMO it is hard to get knocked out of the tours and back to qualifying with demo marks…
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Post by moneyman273 on Oct 1, 2021 10:07:15 GMT -5
xbox player here....anyone have issues with their xbox shutting down when trying to load the game? I downloaded the patch earlier with no problems, went to log on just now to play and every time I go to open the game it goes through the opening credits, and then shuts off my xbox. Update: Looks like my xbox sh$% the bed. Guess I will be waiting a few weeks to start the new season. I'm going to say that HB/2K was responsible for bricking your console, just because they've screwed up so much as it is.
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Post by hammers1man on Oct 1, 2021 10:31:26 GMT -5
Just played four rounds on master swing. Fantastic update. Well done to HB for making the game better. It is too bad HB/ 2K puts out a new patch a few days ago( I think sept 27) and now the master settings is where it should have been after the original two spring updates. Now in master settings you still get penalized with a red fast/ red slow but not as bad as the spring update. And the bunker shots are better as well, no more 2 foot duffs if you miss tempo badly. You will still get penalized but not as bad now…this is where the updates should have been back in the spring…..masters is not that bad now….. ok, let’s put the tours back to Master Settings now, lol…..I know, a week too late… There is virtually no penalty for a poor tempo splash shots anymore. Splash is like a beginner level shot for every level. Way way too easy to get up and down from the bunker on master now.
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Post by randysruns on Oct 1, 2021 10:45:35 GMT -5
I think the problem that some are anticipating is that as the tour balances out, some people will get demoted and will be turned off by the fact that they shot what appeared to be good scores and still got demoted. If they're patient, they'll stick around until they land on a tour where they fit in, but some may be turned off by a demotion (or two or three) and give up before that happens. And there's probably an even smaller (possibly much smaller) group who doesn't consider shooting around 60 in every round to be fun. I'm part of that group and not sure I'll be sticking around if every course plays as easy on pro swing as this week's CC course. If everybody has a goal to make Platinum or Pro Tours then the demotion and promo marks really matter.. But with all of the tiers in the Tours everybody will be set in their proper tiers after a few weeks or so. Why would people quit if you go down a tier? That makes no sense as that is where you should probably be anyway and that particular tier would be conducive for better scoring and promo marks…now if you get demoted to CC-L and then get demo marks and sent back to qualifying then I’d understand those particular players. But IMO it is hard to get knocked out of the tours and back to qualifying with demo marks… Because it's no fun to be demoted, particularly if it takes multiple demotions to get into a tour where a person can compete. That's why I said some will be patient until a few weeks go by and then they settle into a tour where they can compete. But others will be disheartened or demoralized or just find it to be not fun. But if that process is going to take four weeks, then it would've made more sense to have everyone qualify again, or at least have all the people currently in CC tours qualify again. I'm in 14th place right now - so I'm nowhere near a demotion mark - and 14 shots out of the lead. To me, that's not competitive. I know it should even out after some weeks (I'm not convinced four is enough with all of the new people joining or returning), but with these settings there are still going to be a lot of scores that I just don't consider to be fun. I enjoyed the Master settings where shooting 67 felt like I played lights out. I know this week's CC course is on the easy side, but I don't find 64-63-64-62 (my scores this week) to be fun. In fact, it was boring. There's no right or wrong opinion here. I still agree that the move to pro was the right one to bring the Xbox players back into the fold. I just think that it's silly to think the new settings aren't going to cause people to leave. It's not going to outnumber all those who return or are new (especially with the game free with PS+ this month). But it's unfair to not recognize that these settings are going to alienate some folks.
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Post by fuzzymayonnaise on Oct 1, 2021 11:13:58 GMT -5
Update: Looks like my xbox sh$% the bed. Guess I will be waiting a few weeks to start the new season. I'm going to say that HB/2K was responsible for bricking your console, just because they've screwed up so much as it is. Planned Obsolescence by Microsoft.
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Post by martbloke on Oct 1, 2021 11:28:49 GMT -5
I'm going to say that HB/2K was responsible for bricking your console, just because they've screwed up so much as it is. Planned Obsolescence by Microsoft. I'd understand if it was an Xbox One X as there are a lot of peeps on Codemasters' forums for the F1 game saying that game is crashing their Xbox One X and have been warned to not play the game until they fix the issue otherwise it is causing harm to the machine. Think it is something to do with the hardware but triggered by the game as apparently it has occurred on other games too IIRC reading something over there. But just the original Xbox One? Not heard of anyone having issues with that. Weird.
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Post by sroel908 on Oct 1, 2021 11:33:33 GMT -5
So, for fun, I thought I'd look through the CC tours to see what the scores at the top look like now that we've moved to Pro and have a new swing change in place. Here is the current leading score in each CC division:
A: -54 B: -57 C: -52 D: -54 E: -50 F: -52 G: -49 H: -41 I: -49 J: -42 K: -40 L: -38
While there's a bit of a range between the top scores here, the move to Pro definitely seems to have leveled the playing field. So much so, in fact, that the top player in CC-I is only 5 shots "worse" than the top player in CC-A. There's also a CC-I player who's finished only three rounds, and is sitting at -40 before that last round is played. That same player shot two rounds in the 50s (57-57-62) already. If they do so again, CC-I could also have a winning score in the -50 range as well.
All this to say that the move to Pro, to me, has made the CC flights almost over-balanced. There's little to distinguish the top player in CC-I from the top player in CC-A anymore. This really has nothing to do with the super low scores or course difficulty. It has everything to do with the fact that playing on Pro means that everyone is basically the same. I know this is helpful to Xbox players, but for the others it could end up making things monotonous.
Just an observation I guess, with a fairly small sample size, too. So we'll see if this holds true in the future.
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Post by Brenelan on Oct 1, 2021 11:45:44 GMT -5
Thought it would be interesting to take a look at the median scores for each tier - figured you'd have a few people in each tier who really benefit from the switch to Pro, but by and large better players would be better:
A: -36 B: -24 C: -27 D: -31 E: -29 F: -26 G: -24 H: -21 I: -20 J: -18 K: -15 L: -8
So outside of CC-A, it's pretty even for most of the upper flights. But definitely slopes downward the rest of the way.
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Post by sroel908 on Oct 1, 2021 11:59:34 GMT -5
Thought it would be interesting to take a look at the median scores for each tier - figured you'd have a few people in each tier who really benefit from the switch to Pro, but by and large better players would be better: A: -36 B: -24 C: -27 D: -31 E: -29 F: -26 G: -24 H: -21 I: -20 J: -18 K: -15 L: -8 So outside of CC-A, it's pretty even for most of the upper flights. But definitely slopes downward the rest of the way. Again, very early in this season. But to me, this looks like there could be just two or three CC flights. One for the -36/-29 crowd, one for the -27/-20 crowd, and one for the -18 and under crowd.
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Post by dansamp on Oct 1, 2021 12:21:19 GMT -5
Thought it would be interesting to take a look at the median scores for each tier - figured you'd have a few people in each tier who really benefit from the switch to Pro, but by and large better players would be better: A: -36 B: -24 C: -27 D: -31 E: -29 F: -26 G: -24 H: -21 I: -20 J: -18 K: -15 L: -8 So outside of CC-A, it's pretty even for most of the upper flights. But definitely slopes downward the rest of the way. Again, very early in this season. But to me, this looks like there could be just two or three CC flights. One for the -36/-29 crowd, one for the -27/-20 crowd, and one for the -18 and under crowd. I don't understand - there's almost a straight linear progression on the median scores. The flights seem fine to me. The top scores are skewed as there are players that are now better that will quickly be promoted. The medians show the flights overall ex. the top players are probably fairly balanced.
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Post by sroel908 on Oct 1, 2021 12:29:18 GMT -5
Again, very early in this season. But to me, this looks like there could be just two or three CC flights. One for the -36/-29 crowd, one for the -27/-20 crowd, and one for the -18 and under crowd. I don't understand - there's almost a straight linear progression on the median scores. The flights seem fine to me. The top scores are skewed as there are players that are now better that will quickly be promoted. The medians show the flights overall ex. the top players are probably fairly balanced. Yes, there's some progression, but there are just a few shots separating these groups. It looks to me like just a big bunch of similar median scores for the most part - CC-B and CC-G have the same median score, but are 5 spots away in the pecking order. This is super early, but could be something to watch I guess.
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Post by randysruns on Oct 1, 2021 12:42:46 GMT -5
Thought it would be interesting to take a look at the median scores for each tier - figured you'd have a few people in each tier who really benefit from the switch to Pro, but by and large better players would be better: A: -36 B: -24 C: -27 D: -31 E: -29 F: -26 G: -24 H: -21 I: -20 J: -18 K: -15 L: -8 So outside of CC-A, it's pretty even for most of the upper flights. But definitely slopes downward the rest of the way. Again, very early in this season. But to me, this looks like there could be just two or three CC flights. One for the -36/-29 crowd, one for the -27/-20 crowd, and one for the -18 and under crowd. There definitely should be more than three flights. But that median data from Brenelan seems to suggest that there's a good chance there won't be enough variation in score for there to be much difference between the top 2-3 flights and maybe some of the mid-tier flights. We're already seeing lots of scores in the 50s across many CC levels. Once all of the players of that caliber move up - and that will take quite a while because there have been scores in the 50s posted in the bottom tiers - we'll see the A, B and C tiers probably be very closely aligned in terms of final scores every week. Pro settings for those players appear to be so easy that par on most holes is probably losing a half-shot or more to the field.
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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 1, 2021 12:54:33 GMT -5
Too much micro-analyzing going on here after only one event imo. Give it a few weeks, introduce some more difficult courses and conditions, then see where we are. The scores themselves are irrelevant to me. Even though I’m a PS5 player it’s important to note the input from the Xbox players. Are they feeling more competitive now with Pro swing? Have they tried the new and improved Master swing after the latest HB update? Is that Master swing still an issue or do they feel they can play on a competitive level with everyone else and feel it was a fair contest? Again, to me the score numbers themselves are irrelevant. It’s about having a fair and balanced competition for all. Carry on
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