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Post by ritamacneil on Feb 1, 2021 11:49:16 GMT -5
Would love to see cumulative feet of putts made added. It would really show how well people are putting in a round. I feel like many of my rounds are very low (around 30 feet over 18 holes) because they are all 2-3 putt tap ins!
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Post by sandsaver01 on Feb 2, 2021 8:19:53 GMT -5
Would love to see cumulative feet of putts made added. It would really show how well people are putting in a round. I feel like many of my rounds are very low (around 30 feet over 18 holes) because they are all 2-3 putt tap ins! I agree it would be nice, in fact the same suggestion was made for the previous game. I just don't see how it could be done by TGCTours. Maybe HB/2K could implement it but I am not sure about that even. |
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Post by jp44 on Feb 2, 2021 12:24:19 GMT -5
Would love to see cumulative feet of putts made added. It would really show how well people are putting in a round. I feel like many of my rounds are very low (around 30 feet over 18 holes) because they are all 2-3 putt tap ins! I agree it would be nice, in fact the same suggestion was made for the previous game. I just don't see how it could be done by TGCTours. Maybe HB/2K could implement it but I am not sure about that even. I'm thinking the data is there, although I'm unaware of previous conversations so I could very well be wrong. When you look at the leaderboard data for your respective tour on your "Scorecard" after a round, at the bottom it shows "Longest Putt Made". That leads me to believe the game tracks the length of putts made. I guess it is possible it only pulls the largest values and updates it every time a larger value (longer putt) is made. It is also possible that TGC Website API doesn't get all the data or it would just be incredibly tedious for the admins to deal with. If it is possible to get the data it would certainly be one of the better metrics to gauge putting skills in comparison to ones final score. |
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Post by ErixonStone on Feb 3, 2021 21:01:16 GMT -5
How does length of putts made represent proficiency of putting?
If I knock it stiff and sink it for a bird, and you hit it to 20 feet, run it 5 feet past, and make the come-backer for par, does that make you a better putter?
If we both hit it to 20 feet, your birdie attempt lips out and mine runs 4 feet past, then we both make the par, am I a better putter than you?
The best measure is to compare the percentage of made putts from similar distance ranges, which the game already does. We just need more granular ranges than 0-5 ft, 10-20 ft, and 20+ ft.
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Feb 4, 2021 18:20:20 GMT -5
How does length of putts made represent proficiency of putting? If I knock it stiff and sink it for a bird, and you hit it to 20 feet, run it 5 feet past, and make the come-backer for par, does that make you a better putter? If we both hit it to 20 feet, your birdie attempt lips out and mine runs 4 feet past, then we both make the par, am I a better putter than you? The best measure is to compare the percentage of made putts from similar distance ranges, which the game already does. We just need more granular ranges than 0-5 ft, 10-20 ft, and 20+ ft. Percentage doesn't tell a complete story either, on it's own.
To paraphrase, if I am 2 for 2 from 20 ft, and you are 95 of 100, am I the better putter ?
(backs away slowly yet again ... )
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Post by ErixonStone on Feb 4, 2021 18:30:12 GMT -5
Percentage doesn't tell a complete story either, on its own. To paraphrase, if I am 2 for 2 from 20 ft, and you are 95 of 100, am I the better putter ? We don't know; sample size is too small. That ruins all statistics. |
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Post by charliehustle on Feb 4, 2021 18:45:50 GMT -5
Perhaps the best way to determine who is the better putter is to factor proximity to hole of missed shots using the closest point that the golf ball was to the cup during the roll.
Somehow combine that number with your miss-made percentage and whatever else is needed to create a rating. It would be kind of like they do in football with quarterback rating or QBR.
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on Feb 4, 2021 22:01:52 GMT -5
All putts of equal length are not equally difficult, either. Pretty sure 'best putter' will always be hard to capture statistically. Even QBR hasn't settled any GOAT arguments, has it ?
Of course, it is a stat that the real tours track, so it would be fun to compare numbers with them, even if it's imperfect.
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Post by richnufc99 on Feb 5, 2021 9:18:26 GMT -5
The cumulative total of putting distance in a round is actually a better measure for your approaches... of course on its own it’s not. In conjunction with your total number of shots it’s a decent indicator. A low cumulative total putting distance with a low overall score indicates you’re reaching the green effectively and close to the pin. Obviously a low cumulative total putting distance with a higher overall score might mean you’re laying up and avoiding longer shots into the green...
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Post by blueblood1995 on Feb 7, 2021 4:35:39 GMT -5
What about cumulative distance divided by number of putts?
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