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Post by tylannister on Jan 11, 2021 14:06:20 GMT -5
If there is a shot I hate at this last version of TGC, that is the Pitch shot. Either I swing a 100% shot and clearly risk going 5-10 yards past the desired landing point or everything below that power will result on a ridiculous yardage. Shooting something like 90% power lands the ball at 60% the full distance? What?? I don't know if I am doing something wrong because of the extremely slow swing animation for this shot type, but my feeling is that no shot shaping or distance control is possible. And that is a huge factor when playing with powerful drives. Either I equip my bag with the less powerful wedge set available (and then leave a big distance gap with the irons) or I plan the holes not using a driver and leaving the ball after start at the 9I distance. Or really close to the green, where I can at least play a flop or splash shot...
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Jan 11, 2021 14:24:25 GMT -5
I have found that if you set your intent for distance - then use the same swing 'TIMING' the pitch is actually quite nice..
So - if you were at 100% distance (say 70yds) - your swing would be normal - say - 2 seconds to complete BS thru DS
Now, move the intent down to 35 yds (roughly 50%) - your animation will be slower - if you keep with the 2 second swing 'timing' it should pitch roughly about 35 yds.
If you try to figure out where 50% of your swing would be - which will likely end up being much longer than the 2 seconds because of the slower animation, it will be way off of what the ball actually travels..
I was a Pitch hater couple of months ago, but have gotten quite used to it now (forced myself to continue trying) - and I feel it's one of the better shots in game when done right..
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Post by WhatAboutAmeobi on Jan 11, 2021 15:00:45 GMT -5
I will only ever hit a pitch if I'm hitting it 100%. It's a very useful shot at times, especially into the wind, but a slight miss with it gives you hilariously out of context misses. And it's another shot where red fast is punished far less harshly than red slow. Red fast might go 5 yards long - red slow can be 20-30.
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Post by xboxjonnyuk on Jan 11, 2021 16:13:42 GMT -5
I have found that if you set your intent for distance - then use the same swing 'TIMING' the pitch is actually quite nice.. So - if you were at 100% distance (say 70yds) - your swing would be normal - say - 2 seconds to complete BS thru DS Now, move the intent down to 35 yds (roughly 50%) - your animation will be slower - if you keep with the 2 second swing 'timing' it should pitch roughly about 35 yds. If you try to figure out where 50% of your swing would be - which will likely end up being much longer than the 2 seconds because of the slower animation, it will be way off of what the ball actually travels.. I was a Pitch hater couple of months ago, but have gotten quite used to it now (forced myself to continue trying) - and I feel it's one of the better shots in game when done right.. Thanks for this as I’ve been hitting these kind of partial pitch shots mostly too long and now understand I’ve been changing my timing and will give this a try on the range 👍 |
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Jan 11, 2021 16:23:24 GMT -5
I have found that if you set your intent for distance - then use the same swing 'TIMING' the pitch is actually quite nice.. So - if you were at 100% distance (say 70yds) - your swing would be normal - say - 2 seconds to complete BS thru DS Now, move the intent down to 35 yds (roughly 50%) - your animation will be slower - if you keep with the 2 second swing 'timing' it should pitch roughly about 35 yds. If you try to figure out where 50% of your swing would be - which will likely end up being much longer than the 2 seconds because of the slower animation, it will be way off of what the ball actually travels.. I was a Pitch hater couple of months ago, but have gotten quite used to it now (forced myself to continue trying) - and I feel it's one of the better shots in game when done right.. Thanks for this as I’ve been hitting these kind of partial pitch shots mostly too long and now understand I’ve been changing my timing and will give this a try on the range 👍 Yes, definitely hit the range to get a feel for it.. I've settled in on about probably 90% ish swing animation (basically just when the club 'almost' hits the apex in BS) - but keeping timing the same. It'll take some practice, but once you get a feel for it, pretty nice!!! Tricky when in rough/light rough vs. Fairway - from Fair - it's pretty much how I described - from Heavy - you may need to adjust intent a few more yards or so, but generally same concept. Really practice getting the perfect on the DS - that is the key. For me - it's a smooth quick push forward - and I am now about 95% Perfect on the partial pitches. But even if I hit fast - it's not a complete bust as the bounce and roll is minimal. I still get a few head scratchers from time to time - but those are few and far between now.. |
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Post by tylannister on Jan 12, 2021 12:46:49 GMT -5
Wow Jeff, thanks a lot! I will definitely give it a try at the range tonight. Anything giving me above 50% correct pitch shots would be fantastic. That is how bad pitch is for me right now.
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Post by knickerbocker on Jan 12, 2021 16:16:18 GMT -5
I use pitch shots only if going 100%. I use spin and loft to dial in yardage. Anything below 100% on my shortest pitch, I use flop or splash.
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Post by trailducker on Jan 12, 2021 17:15:25 GMT -5
Kind of echo'd as others here, if I can hit a full shot with a wedge I used that mostly over a pitch. If it's a big elevation change I try and use flop or splash. But straight on shots where it's flatter I will use a pitch shot because it has a greater chance of being made.
I hate how slow it is though. All the time I start my downswing too early and then a good score on hole is usually all eff'd
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Jan 13, 2021 17:00:03 GMT -5
Wow Jeff, thanks a lot! I will definitely give it a try at the range tonight. Anything giving me above 50% correct pitch shots would be fantastic. That is how bad pitch is for me right now. No problem. I was in the same boat as many others posting here as I would be sitting at 60 yd club - needing to go 30yds - (with intent set at 100%) and it was god awful trying to do partial swings. So I figured I must be doing something wrong. Spent some time on the range and saw a buried post somewhere on these forums about setting distance intent and using the same timing for the partial. So for those that may not be understanding what I'm saying: Basically if you set the intent to 50% of your club distance - and then try to do a partial swing (50%) - you're actually only hitting the ball 25% of the total - so in the example above - 60yd club - intent set to 30yd, 50% swing - will likely go only about 15 or so yards..but if you swing more closer to the 100% swing - the shot will go roughly the 30yds you intended. I can't stress enough that it needs to be practiced on the range - or your own course design with 1 hole so you can keep replaying the shot to get a feel for how it works.. |
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Post by zooby97 on Jan 14, 2021 20:07:18 GMT -5
Wow Jeff, thanks a lot! I will definitely give it a try at the range tonight. Anything giving me above 50% correct pitch shots would be fantastic. That is how bad pitch is for me right now. No problem. I was in the same boat as many others posting here as I would be sitting at 60 yd club - needing to go 30yds - (with intent set at 100%) and it was god awful trying to do partial swings. So I figured I must be doing something wrong. Spent some time on the range and saw a buried post somewhere on these forums about setting distance intent and using the same timing for the partial. So for those that may not be understanding what I'm saying: Basically if you set the intent to 50% of your club distance - and then try to do a partial swing (50%) - you're actually only hitting the ball 25% of the total - so in the example above - 60yd club - intent set to 30yd, 50% swing - will likely go only about 15 or so yards..but if you swing more closer to the 100% swing - the shot will go roughly the 30yds you intended. I can't stress enough that it needs to be practiced on the range - or your own course design with 1 hole so you can keep replaying the shot to get a feel for how it works.. I’m slowly starting to incorporate that shot in my tourney rounds. I just do a practice swing when it is 49 yrd and my actual is say 28. I bring it back snd get the feel of it at 27-30. It is a nice shot when executed properly. I wish the splash shot was only allowed in the bunkers. But the splash shot outside of the bunkers can save a hole. But practice on the range is a must. I also just find any course for practice and use it with every opportunity and quit shying away from it. But I also had a few holes in tourney rounds where it will cost me a few unnecessary extra shots. I try to see where the bad miss is not a kick in the gut. |
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Post by tylannister on Jan 15, 2021 12:34:00 GMT -5
Wow Jeff, thanks a lot! I will definitely give it a try at the range tonight. Anything giving me above 50% correct pitch shots would be fantastic. That is how bad pitch is for me right now. No problem. I was in the same boat as many others posting here as I would be sitting at 60 yd club - needing to go 30yds - (with intent set at 100%) and it was god awful trying to do partial swings. So I figured I must be doing something wrong. Spent some time on the range and saw a buried post somewhere on these forums about setting distance intent and using the same timing for the partial. So for those that may not be understanding what I'm saying: Basically if you set the intent to 50% of your club distance - and then try to do a partial swing (50%) - you're actually only hitting the ball 25% of the total - so in the example above - 60yd club - intent set to 30yd, 50% swing - will likely go only about 15 or so yards..but if you swing more closer to the 100% swing - the shot will go roughly the 30yds you intended. I can't stress enough that it needs to be practiced on the range - or your own course design with 1 hole so you can keep replaying the shot to get a feel for how it works..
Correct! I am starting to get used to this way, although it needs more practice. And it is against the much more logical option, the one we were all used from previous TGCs or other golf games: partial swings. Learning how long is the ball flying if I backswing until hip/shoulder/full swing height. It is a pity that they have not kept that and invented such a counter-intuitive system. |
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Post by dime5150 on Jan 27, 2021 9:04:49 GMT -5
They should reverse the sensitivity of the pitch and splash. I can hit the bulls eye on a dart board with a splash but if I hit a pitch shot 90% it ends up 30 yards short, something is wrong there. The splash should be the harder to hit perfectly, I can hit a pitch shot more consistently in real life than I can in this game
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Post by blueblood1995 on Jan 27, 2021 18:56:06 GMT -5
My 2 cents worth... having not played TGC19 I can't comment on whether the pitch shot is broken or not but what I will say is I quite enjoy the challenge of getting the pitch right. When I do it's very satisfying! My tip for pitching is always have a few practice shots first to find the "white zone". Once some basic allowances have been made for fairway slope but mostly elevation, and green contours, it's just a memory of practice swing timing thing. IMO the chip shot lacks this required finesse and really boils down to what club to select and hit 100% and allow roll out. When I'm in between I use a little backspin to stop if a bit quicker but hey just like IRL there's always many factors that influence the reaction of the ball. I enjoy the pitch and chip shot.
I only use splash from sand and find this is far more frustrating than a pitch. Seems to be fare more variable IMO.
And I dont use flop. No idea why just haven't practiced it and find i get good results with pitch anyway.
Just wish HB would prevent splash from anywhere but bunkers. This is after all a shot designed for bunkers.
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Post by gdog on Jan 28, 2021 6:18:13 GMT -5
ahh the pitch shot...
I avoid it at all costs.
I even start using a fully lofted 85yard, normal shot Lob Wedge, hit partially >60% ish for stuff 40-60 yards.
Anything inside 40 I use a splash.
The pitch is just setup wrong. You hit a few percent under what you intended and it only goes half the distance.
You mess up temp and hit a slow, veers so far right its silly.
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Post by ABU_Bear on Jan 28, 2021 16:37:30 GMT -5
The pitch shot is the only shot other than the splash that I know exact distances and how quick it will stop. I play towards pitch shots. Best shot in my arsenal
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