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Post by TeeeJ9798 on Jan 10, 2021 19:17:49 GMT -5
I like to design holes into the sides of hills. I feel like Pete Dye utilized a similar look a lot. Generally it’s an uphill par 3 for me.
You can kind of create a green that is carved into the side of a hill with optional bunkers on either side, usually on the high side. Therefore, the danger is a miss to low side of the hill where it runs off, but any shots to safety on the high side catch a bunker instead of getting a friendly bounce.
I like the look with fairways too where there are bunkers on the low side and a flatter fairway carved into the hill.
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Post by mctrees02 on Jan 10, 2021 20:38:27 GMT -5
I like to design holes into the sides of hills. I feel like Pete Dye utilized a similar look a lot. Generally it’s an uphill par 3 for me. You can kind of create a green that is carved into the side of a hill with optional bunkers on either side, usually on the high side. Therefore, the danger is a miss to low side of the hill where it runs off, but any shots to safety on the high side catch a bunker instead of getting a friendly bounce. I like the look with fairways too where there are bunkers on the low side and a flatter fairway carved into the hill. Perry Maxwell (the ** are Press Maxwell holes) did a brilliant job of this at Prairie Dunes. 2, 4, 5**, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11**, 13**, 15**, 17 and 18 all have greens either tucked into the side of a dune or laid between two dunes. That includes 8 of the original 9 holes (all built by Perry) as well as all four par 3’s. The 2nd hole in particular might be one of the finest par 3’s in the world.
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Post by TeeeJ9798 on Jan 10, 2021 22:44:12 GMT -5
Perry Maxwell (the ** are Press Maxwell holes) did a brilliant job of this at Prairie Dunes. 2, 4, 5**, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11**, 13**, 15**, 17 and 18 all have greens either tucked into the side of a dune or laid between two dunes. That includes 8 of the original 9 holes (all built by Perry) as well as all four par 3’s. The 2nd hole in particular might be one of the finest par 3’s in the world. Welp. Here I am thinking I'm innovative.
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Post by mctrees02 on Jan 10, 2021 23:27:27 GMT -5
Perry Maxwell (the ** are Press Maxwell holes) did a brilliant job of this at Prairie Dunes. 2, 4, 5**, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11**, 13**, 15**, 17 and 18 all have greens either tucked into the side of a dune or laid between two dunes. That includes 8 of the original 9 holes (all built by Perry) as well as all four par 3’s. The 2nd hole in particular might be one of the finest par 3’s in the world. Welp. Here I am thinking I'm innovative. that far left pin on 2 is so incredibly mean that your goal should be to hit the green and keep your first putt on the green/below the hole so you have a chance at par. A right pin is a green light from the tee and green though.
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nitro22
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Post by nitro22 on Jan 11, 2021 7:00:17 GMT -5
Easy. Sightline from 15 at Friars. I used similar sightlines on Port Melbourne at 6 and 15... generally I like to use nice backdrops or setting without overdoing it so a sightline like that is great instead of having all your stand out holes be on a cliff
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Post by williamwes626 on Jan 13, 2021 9:51:24 GMT -5
I haven't released any original courses yet but just from general golf knowledge, I think there are plenty of golf holes that have been repeated through the years but they just don't have names like the templates. Then there are other named designs that everyone uses - like the basic stuff, dogleg, double dogleg, drivable par-4, bunkerless, hazardless, split fairway. The Fried Egg had a feature recently on a volcano style, then there are island greens. They're not capitalized names but always used as descriptors but in a way those are templates too that everyone knows.
A descriptor like dogleg doesn't describe something specific except it bends but then again a 'Home' hole doesn't really describe a hole either. I think it's easier to remember a design when it has a name so there should be more named templates.
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Post by mctrees02 on Jan 13, 2021 12:11:11 GMT -5
The idea behind a template hole is that you can apply it in many different settings and the hole strategy still works. My favorite example of this is the Cape template. While a Cape most commonly thought of as a risk/reward tee shot engaging with water into a fairway angled against tee box followed by an approach to a green surrounded on 3 sides (18 @ Pebble, 5 @ Mid Ocean, 14 @ NGLA), some other great examples (14 @ Chicago, 2 @ Yale, 18 @ Revival) don't involve water at all because they are on a site that didn't have it available. However, the risk/reward strategy on both tee shot and approach still apply.
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Post by williamwes626 on Jan 14, 2021 22:15:01 GMT -5
The idea behind a template hole is that you can apply it in many different settings and the hole strategy still works. My favorite example of this is the Cape template. While a Cape most commonly thought of as a risk/reward tee shot engaging with water into a fairway angled against tee box followed by an approach to a green surrounded on 3 sides (18 @ Pebble, 5 @ Mid Ocean, 14 @ NGLA), some other great examples (14 @ Chicago, 2 @ Yale, 18 @ Revival) don't involve water at all because they are on a site that didn't have it available. However, the risk/reward strategy on both tee shot and approach still apply. Right so the most baseline designs like a dogleg for instance - it's easily adaptable to many styles of courses but is it too broad a category to consider a template?Cause the named templates seem more specific like how you're describing a 'cape'. It can be altered but it has more specifics involved than if it's just the term 'dogleg' or 'bunkerless'.
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