Winds in tours

[ozgreat]

I posted this on the 'HB' forums site.

I guess a lot will disagree with me, but I am interested to see just how many and the reasons why.

Here is my post.......

 "I used to play in a club comp' with anywhere upwards of 40 or 50 players. That was many years ago before I could no longer play due to physical injuries. 

Anyway, I enjoyed these competitions for well over 30 years, whenever work time off allowed me to. 

If I was teeing off in the first group and the wind was 'x', and my close friend was in the last group and the wind was 'y' then that was accepted. 

Sure, we had a few guys b%&ing who played last and the sun was in their eyes or the shadows were different than the guys that played first. 

But hey, it's a game. And you look at every professional game played and the forces of nature will change without prediction or warning and those sportsmen/women live with it. 

Unlike a game where big, big money is at stakis a "computer game". We are not on the World Stage. We are competing against a group of people we do not know personally, we will never have the opportunity to shake his or her hand at the completion of the game. All we have is a monitor in front of us.



I am sorry, but I would rather see that HB devote more of their very professional time to further improve the game as they are intending and not cave in to this issue.



I would like to see a vote on this as I strongly believe that HB's resources could be better served elsewhere.



Kind regards to all,



oz

[rod81simo]

I'm in the disagree corner sorry. Whilst you make a point it isn't validated with the degree if wind change occurring on a day to day basis in game as opposed to your few hour one. Sure it could gust up later in the day and be an issue more so than the early starters but generally it wouldn't be so bad. On here all courses have a lull where winds are below say 6mph and all courses and sons more so than others will be mid to high teens so something definately needs to be done for tournaments to set a wind range I feel. Not a wind value, just a range I feel is enough so like what's previously been mentioned 2-8, 6-11, 9-14 and so forth just to level it out somewhat. Personally tho I think some wind is better than no wind for sure and so I don't wait around I just get in and be dealt whatever card I'm given so yeah each to there own and by no means is your suggestion out of order. Just think there is no harm in tightening the screws on the variation of wind values.

[dlw1964]

Sorry I want a number.
A range is no difference than having random landing.
Tournament creator needs to have the ability to set a range that the numbers can fall in & direction.
Examples:
Rd 1 0-4 nw
Rd 2 5-9 sw
Rd 3 5-9 s
Rd 4 10-14 w

[Deleted]

I have to agree with rod81simo that a wind range would be both practical and more so fair (I appreciate it is only a video game at the end of the day but you still want a fair game). A difference of say 5-6mph max would be appropriate enough. In the real world wind speeds can of course vary over the day but I do feel they are a little extreme in TGC. An example is the latest Champs A tournament where for the first two rounds I was getting wind speeds of 5-8mph, which without a doubt has helped me get to the top of the leaderboard (for now!) whereas I'm sure I recall at least one other member mentioning 12-14mph speeds in their round(s). A 9mph variation really does make a huge difference in this game, especially taking into account that a 14mph wind feels more gale force in this game!

[fuzion]

oz, the difference between tourneys in real life and in-game are that you are forced to play those conditions in real life because you are given a tee-time. You do not on tgctours, and so ppl can wait to get more favourable conditions. This is unfair to people who only have a limited time to play their rounds, and means that the majority of rounds played are in low winds.

I for one would be very happy to play in 15+mph winds if everyone else is going to as well.

[bruce]

Well I don't want to play in 15 mph winds, at least not in this as I really think the winds have wayy to much effect on the ball. As I have mentioned before numerous times the winds should be more realistic. Its funny I see people go on and on about how much a certain club or pitch shot should roll out, but as far as wind goes its all over the place.
3 - 5 mph one day and up to 10 - 15 the next.Thats not realistic at all, unless you want to talk about fronts going through an area. Then theres the fact it pretty much stays the same a whole round, which is where the biggest discrepency lies. It usually changes a bit, and not just strength, but direction as well. Thats one thing I remember about watching the masters for years. The pro will toss a little grass in the air and then hit his shot, only to find the wind was swirling in a different direction where the green is.
 The winds really need to be connected to the area where the courses are located. I'm not sure ,but is location even mentioned in GNCD ? It should be as winds are different dependent on location. Plus winds should be based on average wind speeds, and very from that number.
I've mentioned this quite a few times overr at the TGC forums, but most are more concerned more about wind waiting, when what we really should be more concerned about is the wind values and directions themselves.