mega8deth8
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Post by mega8deth8 on Oct 18, 2020 20:28:17 GMT -5
How does the world ranking work? I am trying to figure out how I can land a top 10 and then win a tournament and fall 62 places in the rankings? Is there a thread that explains their criteria?
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Post by Blade on Oct 18, 2020 20:51:31 GMT -5
How does the world ranking work? I am trying to figure out how I can land a top 10 and then win a tournament and fall 62 places in the rankings? Is there a thread that explains their criteria? Same thing happened to me. I assume there is still going to be some wild swings as the stats settle down, especially those of us who this is the first year.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Oct 18, 2020 20:54:54 GMT -5
How does the world ranking work? I am trying to figure out how I can land a top 10 and then win a tournament and fall 62 places in the rankings? Is there a thread that explains their criteria? Points are very small at the lower end of the CC ranks. As you move up to higher tours the points available are progressively more for the same finishing position.
Also consider that the WGR is a career ranking that takes in maximum of 65 weeks of results weighted heavier towards the more recent events. Combine this to the fact that many players that just earned a card last week were hidden from the WGR leaderboard that we see because they didn't have one... that is a criteria to show a ranking. Then they played week 4 after earning a card in the week 3 qualifying and their previous WGR points showed back up along with the weekly adjustment.
Hope that wasn't too confusing. There is more nuance to it, but I wanted to get some basic info out to you.
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mega8deth8
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Post by mega8deth8 on Oct 18, 2020 21:06:02 GMT -5
How does the world ranking work? I am trying to figure out how I can land a top 10 and then win a tournament and fall 62 places in the rankings? Is there a thread that explains their criteria? Points are very small at the lower end of the CC ranks. As you move up to higher tours the points available are progressively more for the same finishing position.
Also consider that the WGR is a career ranking that takes in maximum of 65 weeks of results weighted heavier towards the more recent events. Combine this to the fact that many players that just earned a card last week were hidden from the WGR leaderboard that we see because they didn't have one... that is a criteria to show a ranking. Then they played week 4 after earning a card in the week 3 qualifying and their previous WGR points showed back up along with the weekly adjustment.
Hope that wasn't too confusing. There is more nuance to it, but I wanted to get some basic info out to you.
Thanks Aero. That makes sense, but boy was I disappointed to see that my rank actually fell after all that.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Oct 18, 2020 21:14:11 GMT -5
Points are very small at the lower end of the CC ranks. As you move up to higher tours the points available are progressively more for the same finishing position.
Also consider that the WGR is a career ranking that takes in maximum of 65 weeks of results weighted heavier towards the more recent events. Combine this to the fact that many players that just earned a card last week were hidden from the WGR leaderboard that we see because they didn't have one... that is a criteria to show a ranking. Then they played week 4 after earning a card in the week 3 qualifying and their previous WGR points showed back up along with the weekly adjustment.
Hope that wasn't too confusing. There is more nuance to it, but I wanted to get some basic info out to you.
Thanks Aero. That makes sense, but boy was I disappointed to see that my rank actually fell after all that. I go by Bob. I remember your screen name from the TW series back in the day.
Anyways, WGR is a long haul stat and is a cumulative points system rather than an average. You'll see the Events column which shows how many events are counting towards a players' WGR total. The maximum is 40. You are at two, so as you progress you will likely move up given your results so far. The short term drop is basically volatility with a new season and game for tgctours.
In case you want to see the nuts and bolts of how ones' WGR points are calculated then here is a chart. You were on CC-G and had a t7 and a win. The chart shows 0.017766 for week 3 and then 0.500000 for week 4 giving you the rounded 0.0677 that you see for your WGR points.
The points stay at 100% for 13 weeks, and then then degrade by 1/52 each week after those 13 weeks until after 65 weeks they are at a 0% factor and don't count anymore. Once you are here awhile, the WGR only takes into account your highest 40 weighted WGR events out of the last 65.
Good luck up on CC-F this week!
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mega8deth8
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Post by mega8deth8 on Oct 19, 2020 4:11:00 GMT -5
Thanks Bob, I appreciate you taking the time to lay that all out for me. Well I guess I'm in for the long haul. Good luck to you too. My goal is to get to Kinetic. I've got a lot of work to do on putting before that will happen, but I'm working on it.
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Post by Brighttail on Oct 19, 2020 22:15:49 GMT -5
WGR is a fraud. It a when Tim, Scott and Jeff get into a room and start rolling die to see who goes up and down. The more they drink, the more movement we see. Honestly after playing here for 6 years, I've stopped looking at it. I was 13th at one point on my career and somehow, even being on the PGA, where things are weighted much more heavily, I still somehow managed to fall out of the top 150 despite making the cuts 70% of the time. I kept falling lower and lower. In the end I won more as a 2nd place finisher on the Euro than any tournament I played on the PGA. So don't pay too much attention to it.
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Post by Luxic on Oct 21, 2020 15:55:10 GMT -5
WGR is a fraud. It a when Tim, Scott and Jeff get into a room and start rolling die to see who goes up and down. The more they drink, the more movement we see. Honestly after playing here for 6 years, I've stopped looking at it. I was 13th at one point on my career and somehow, even being on the PGA, where things are weighted much more heavily, I still somehow managed to fall out of the top 150 despite making the cuts 70% of the time. I kept falling lower and lower. In the end I won more as a 2nd place finisher on the Euro than any tournament I played on the PGA. So don't pay too much attention to it. For what is worth, the OWGR in real life is not that different. A top 5 finish on a lesser tour is generally worth more points than finishing outside the top 20 on the PGA Tour. For instance, last week T-21 finishers at the CJ Cup got 3.84 points, while Matt Wallace got 14.4 for finishing 2nd at the Scottish Championship (ET) and the two guys tied for second on the KFT (which is not even the third tour in terms of OWGR points in real life) got 7 each.
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Post by crushtastic on Oct 22, 2020 5:38:58 GMT -5
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Post by mitch42 on Oct 25, 2020 17:01:43 GMT -5
How does the world ranking work? I am trying to figure out how I can land a top 10 and then win a tournament and fall 62 places in the rankings? Is there a thread that explains their criteria? Points are very small at the lower end of the CC ranks. As you move up to higher tours the points available are progressively more for the same finishing position.
Also consider that the WGR is a career ranking that takes in maximum of 65 weeks of results weighted heavier towards the more recent events. Combine this to the fact that many players that just earned a card last week were hidden from the WGR leaderboard that we see because they didn't have one... that is a criteria to show a ranking. Then they played week 4 after earning a card in the week 3 qualifying and their previous WGR points showed back up along with the weekly adjustment.
Hope that wasn't too confusing. There is more nuance to it, but I wanted to get some basic info out to you.
Which in my view is not how it should be done. TGCT have tried to replicate how the real PGA tour calculate their rankings but they can't really be compared. All CC events take place on the same course under identical conditions so the scoring can be directly compared among divisions....therefore if I shoot -22 in CC-H (which I did last week) I should score the same ranking points as someone who shoots the same score in , say , CC-A. It doesn't work that way , but it should.
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Post by mitch42 on Oct 25, 2020 17:03:44 GMT -5
The world rankings are not accurate for the following 2 reasons. 1 / Everyone knows Xbox plays harder - thats not reflected in the rankings. 2 / When all players in the 12 Challenge circuits play on same course under same conditions (as they do each week) , scoring should determine ranking points not the division you play in , again , not the case.
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Post by mitch42 on Oct 25, 2020 17:17:03 GMT -5
The chart you attached is interesting. It demonstrates starkly just how inaccurate it is for evaluating performance. The difference in the divisions is much smaller than the chart indicates , therefore the ranking system is not fit for purpose. For example , I finished 2nd in Cc-H this week which gets me the same ranking points as the player finishing 70th in CC-D. I shot -22 , he shot -9. The system is broken. It would be much more accurate (and simpler) to assign points based on your final score since all divisions (in C-C) are played on the same course under the same conditions.
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Post by mitch42 on Oct 25, 2020 17:19:54 GMT -5
But the only reason such a mathematically convoluted ranking system exists in real golf is because there can be no direct comparison between events since theyre never played on the same course. Thats not the case with TGC tours , at least not at Challenge Circuit level. No excuse to not use final scores as a basis for ranking points.
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Post by Doyley on Oct 25, 2020 17:36:10 GMT -5
. No excuse to not use final scores as a basis for ranking points. Plenty of valid excuses - none of which I'm feeling obligated to type here.
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Post by Cecil Harvey on Oct 25, 2020 20:06:48 GMT -5
But the only reason such a mathematically convoluted ranking system exists in real golf is because there can be no direct comparison between events since theyre never played on the same course. Thats not the case with TGC tours , at least not at Challenge Circuit level. No excuse to not use final scores as a basis for ranking points. Pro Tours play three different courses.
Also, I was merely explaining how it works.
The WGR here is a hybrid of how IRL golf and tennis works. It uses the basis of golf for ranking points and decay, but it then deviates from IRL golf rankings and goes the way of tennis in that total points are used instead of an average per event like IRL golf uses.
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