OVER 33 % WD This Week. NOT GOOD.

[Deleted]

Over 1/3 of the field WD this week really ?? I'm sure most of them were high scores that just didn't want to be posted.

I think in the future the punishment for a WD should be HARSHER.

Maybe don't let the WD's play the following week, Might cut down on some people not posting scores.

THOUGHTS   ??

[nocturnal]

 So....if some people don't shoot what they consider to be a respectable score they quit?  I thought this tour was trying to emulate the real tour. 

I'm all for stronger punishments for people who willingly quit BUT I don't know that it would be fair to those who had to WD because of extenuating circumstances beyond their control......and I don't see a way to be able to 100% discern one from the other.

 

[NCFCRulz]

I think that a WD should have a stronger punishment. You can discern by strictly enforcing a "you must let us know why you are unable to complete your rounds by date" policy.

Even if for arguments sake a family member has died, 99% of us wouldn't care about this game in any way shape or form and would happily miss out the following week, however those that care so much about the game in circs outlined above would be able to find the time to simply drop a PM and then everyone is happy

I think WDS were always going to increase as the months roll by, it's natural for those who have been with the game since the beginning some of them will tail off. It's just a case of how to deal with them

All these below are with no PM.prior to cut date

IMO - 1st WD - PM warning
2nd WD - 1 week ban from that tour
3rd WD - Removal of Tour Card

[Tim]

Yea, this doesn't make me happy either. I agree -- This needs to be looked at. I was completely baffled and disappointed when I saw the WEB flight and their WD %.

I'm taking this back to the team and we will come up with something.

Everyone has emergencies -- I get that. Things come up. But we need to do something bout the members where this is becoming habitual.

[Andy Tracy]

I have a feeling a lot of these players will be gone once EA's new game comes out. They will be able to shoot -18 out of the box on amateur mode. Plus they'll be hitting 370 yard drives and spinning like crazy.

[Tim]

Yes, and I hope we get more great members when the disk version comes out. Plus EA coming out only helps us because everyone will be in the Operation Sports forum and seeing our "hot" post. Our concept alone will win a lot of the EA players.

[schrutefarms33]

Should be easy to figure out who played and didn't post because of bad scores and who just couldn't get their rounds in. Those who played will show up in the tourney leaderboard on their platform.

[misternic]

Mar 27, 2015 6:30:18 GMT -5 Tim said:

Yea, this doesn't make me happy either. I agree -- This needs to be looked at. I was completely baffled and disappointed when I saw the WEB flight and their WD %.

I'm taking this back to the team and we will come up with something.

Everyone has emergencies -- I get that. Things come up. But we need to do something bout the members where this is becoming habitual.

I shot 81 in round 2.  I posted... (and made the cut).  No excuse for not posting.

[Deleted]

I think there's more to it. .. course selection , wind and super low scores. .. I have wanted to quit plenty of times. .. I just love personal abuse.

[billybudd0623]

Sometimes I wonder how many that play this game also play real life golf where PAR is a GOOD score. Agree about the WD's especially if you kept someone out of the tournament because it filled up to capacity.

[mnguy12000]

I was one who thought about WD, heck I talked about it. But I said come on, it is just a game and I played. I ended up making the cut and with two good rounds I could sneak into the top 20 or 15, so i am glad I played it out.

[sheppy]

I withdrew (first time ever) because I got lots of graphical corruption (documented in Bug reporting on main site). I have now played 2 rounds since update and got the same graphics problems. I am going to withdraw from the next event too because of this problem. I will not be playing TGC again until it is fixed.

[nocturnal]

I love playing in these Tournaments but I have seen too many posts across all the different tour boards saying something to the effect of:

Yeah, I'm glad I skipped this one  or  not playing this week, the course isn't fun. 

Yes, there are some courses/conditions I enjoy playing more than others but I joined this community to play (virtual) golf and enjoy friendly competition regardless of the course, the firmness/speed settings, tricked up/gimmicky greens, narrow fairways, elevation changes, fairness of the wind conditions, or anything else there could possibly be to complain about.

[Deleted]

Members and Staff,   

    I'm sure golfers WD for a wide variety of reasons and increasing  punishment severity at a certain point is not going to really affect the % overall or at least not in the way anticipated. As punishment severity increases the participant field will likely narrow mainly because you will most likely have players leaving tgctours all together which might appear to reduce the percentages some because those that remain will be the core tgctours players to begin with. While increasing punishment will force out some unwanted players and some heavy WD offenders, going too far may discourage new involvement in the  tours and most likely  reduce prolonged participation in the tour.
     The WD% is probably a good indicator of how well tgctours and it's staff select tours and how much this process is transparent and inclusive. It can also be a good indicator of how well, tgctours engages with the community overall. Kind of like a report card if you look at or derive an acceptable WD% that accounts for the occasional acceptable circumstance. Is that 10% - 15% I don't know. That would require a lot more data and someone familiar with statistical mathematics and probability theories. However, since we do not really do this for a living you will always have a fair amount so really think about that when drawing any conclusions or further punishments for WD offenses.
          Personally I try and preview a course before I even sign-up (Shawnee being an exception and I played it through even though I thought it was more of a developmental course than a tour course).
     Secondly the high WD's might be a signal to really take a hard look at the way tgctours selects it's courses; I really do not envy the task, so I hope it is done with as much varied input and as large a committee as is reasonable; It may also point to a more reactive than a more deliberate approach to developing the tours. My advice, slow down, gather data, and be more transparent and more inclusive and more proactive before reaching any decisions and be very clear and transparent to communicate any changes well in advance of any actual changes if at all possible.

Thanks again,

-Mike  

[js]

Mar 29, 2015 17:28:11 GMT -5 StoneComet said:

Members and Staff,   

    I'm sure golfers WD for a wide variety of reasons and increasing  punishment severity at a certain point is not going to really affect the % overall or at least not in the way anticipated. As punishment severity increases the participant field will likely narrow mainly because you will most likely have players leaving tgctours all together which might appear to reduce the percentages some because those that remain will be the core tgctours players to begin with. While increasing punishment will force out some unwanted players and some heavy WD offenders, going too far may discourage new involvement in the  tours and most likely  reduce prolonged participation in the tour.
     The WD% is probably a good indicator of how well tgctours and it's staff select tours and how much this process is transparent and inclusive. It can also be a good indicator of how well, tgctours engages with the community overall. Kind of like a report card if you look at or derive an acceptable WD% that accounts for the occasional acceptable circumstance. Is that 10% - 15% I don't know. That would require a lot more data and someone familiar with statistical mathematics and probability theories. However, since we do not really do this for a living you will always have a fair amount so really think about that when drawing any conclusions or further punishments for WD offenses.
          Personally I try and preview a course before I even sign-up (Shawnee being an exception and I played it through even though I thought it was more of a developmental course than a tour course).
     Secondly the high WD's might be a signal to really take a hard look at the way tgctours selects it's courses; I really do not envy the task, so I hope it is done with as much varied input and as large a committee as is reasonable; It may also point to a more reactive than a more deliberate approach to developing the tours. My advice, slow down, gather data, and be more transparent and more inclusive and more proactive before reaching any decisions and be very clear and transparent to communicate any changes well in advance of any actual changes if at all possible.

Thanks again,

-Mike  

Well put.....pretty much sums it up.