Lie %

[iorwerth]

Does the lie % just impact the distance of the club by the % of the lie? e.g. if I have a club that has a carry distance of 100yds and have a lie of 80%, does that mean with a perfect swing tempo at 100% power, my shot will go 80 yds?

[Luxic]

Pretty much. But it also takes away spin by the same amount, making the ball bounce a little bit harder and roll out more (the so-called "flyer effect").

[iorwerth]

Ok, that is good to know. Thanks!

Any rough ballpark figure for how much additional roll-out for club types?

[Luxic]

Oct 8, 2020 4:58:27 GMT -5 iorwerth said:

Ok, that is good to know. Thanks!

Any rough ballpark figure for how much additional roll-out for club types?

Maybe some of the guys who take a mathematical approach to game have charted it out, but I'm more of a feel player, so I can't really give you numbers. Besides, there's a lot of variables you have to take into account other than the lie (club type, terrain firmness, wind, shot shaping, execution).

What you could do, however, is to have a practice round and selectively turn on and off the "pro vision" aids, so that you can see how the lie affects the shot while excluding the other factors.

[iorwerth]

Good idea! Thanks

[nevadaballin]

I think the lie % is broken when in a bunker. I believe there is a substantial difference between bunker and heavy rough with a like % number.

Not just me, right?

[sandsaver01]

Oct 8, 2020 11:14:50 GMT -5 nevadaballin said:

I think the lie % is broken when in a bunker. I believe there is a substantial difference between bunker and heavy rough with a like % number.

Not just me, right?

Jimmy it seems to me that the Lie % in bunkers is almost always better than heavy rough, except perhaps for plugged lies in the sand. So it is tough to compare the two. I do know that there is much less penalty shown for hitting a 4W out of sand compared to heavy rough, which is like IRL.

[tylannister]

Oct 8, 2020 11:14:50 GMT -5 nevadaballin said:

I think the lie % is broken when in a bunker. I believe there is a substantial difference between bunker and heavy rough with a like % number.

Not just me, right?

Yeah, I also kind of celebrate when landing on bunkers with bad shots. The ball almost never buries in the sand (unless you hit the wall on a very steep bunker) and the lie penalty for the shot afterwards is something I can perfectly live with.

And, above all, the bunkers near the green. A more or less acceptable splash shot and you are good for a birdie.

[nevadaballin]

May need to clarify what I was saying then see if you all are experiencing the same.

If I land in heavy rough and the lie % is 70-75% and I land in the sand with the same lie % of 70-75, use the same club with the identical club shot type and tempo, the sand shot always goes much further.

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[rcknfrewld]

Just please nobody complain about the lack of plugged lies. Last time I remember some people complained and then all of a sudden almost half the lies in the sand were plugged.

[Riotous]

When designing we have the option to change the Heavy rough, rough and Sand "density" (wrong word but i cant remember the term used in game), so we can individually make all three of these surfaces as easy or hard to get out of as we wish.

As far as practice in these conditions is concerned, you can drop the ball in the bunker or rough or wherever you want within the Practice Area of the game

[moneyman273]

Oct 8, 2020 15:41:00 GMT -5 rcknfrewld said:

Just please nobody complain about the lack of plugged lies. Last time I remember some people complained and then all of a sudden almost half the lies in the sand were plugged.

There's thousands of other problems in this game HB has the opportunity to screw up even more, so I agree with you there!

[bahnzo]

Oct 8, 2020 23:17:01 GMT -5 Riotous said:

As far as practice in these conditions is concerned, you can drop the ball in the bunker or rough or wherever you want within the Practice Area of the game

Not if you use a mouse you can't.

[sandsaver01]

Oct 9, 2020 15:01:03 GMT -5 bahnzo said:

Oct 8, 2020 23:17:01 GMT -5 Riotous said:

As far as practice in these conditions is concerned, you can drop the ball in the bunker or rough or wherever you want within the Practice Area of the game

Not if you use a mouse you can't. :(

Just buy a $10 controller and enable it in Steam and you will be able to use it to move around the practice green using both mouse and the "O" key or its equivalent on an XBox controller, that is what I do since I use a controller to design but mouse/keyboard to play.

[blueblood1995]

Oct 8, 2020 12:06:01 GMT -5 sandsaver01 said:

Oct 8, 2020 11:14:50 GMT -5 nevadaballin said:

I think the lie % is broken when in a bunker. I believe there is a substantial difference between bunker and heavy rough with a like % number.

Not just me, right?

Jimmy it seems to me that the Lie % in bunkers is almost always better than heavy rough, except perhaps for plugged lies in the sand. So it is tough to compare the two. I do know that there is much less penalty shown for hitting a 4W out of sand compared to heavy rough, which is like IRL.

Are there plugged lies in the sand? How do you know if your lie is plugged? Does it show you visually or are you assuming based on a very low % like say a 60% lie?