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Post by Coniglio on Mar 26, 2015 5:29:24 GMT -5
First of all, I just wanted to say I love this place. Its a dream come true in regards of competing with one of the sports games I like. I which we would more quality places for other games too.
I'd like to talk about the DQ due to incorrect score submissions. I have just experienced it (I'm new) on my 3rd tournament, sadly just on the one I actually had a good to win it (leading by 6 after 2 rounds). I understand that we try to have a realistic environment while also having fun. I also understand that in a way some cases should be punished when posting scores or other cases. However, there should be some wiggle room.
If you submit your score incorrectly, your submitted score will stand if the total strokes is higher than the game shows. If your submitted score is lower than the total strokes shown by the game, you will be disqualified from the tournament.
As an example, if you shot a 70 but submitted your scorecard as 72, we will count your round as a 72. If you shot a 70 but submitted your scorecards as 68, you will be disqualified from the tournament.
That's the quote from the rules section. In my case, I had played my first round and was completely sure that I had submitted it. So I went on with my life... I fly for a living, so I had a flight from Dubai to Houston (16hours) and then back in a couple of days. As soon as I got back I was excited to try and play my next round even though I was dead tired. But I was excited to play after having an ok score but having so many better chance of gotten a better on the previous round. To my luck, my tired mind helped me to have my best round ever an ending with a -10. The issue began when I submitted that scored and realized that the first one wasn't counted. So what was my second round score ended up being my first round score instead, and the first round score had to be my second round. However, apart from all the other rounds and TOTAL SCORE remained intact. In no way whatsoever any of my scores were not correct apart from that issue. I didn't add strokes or remove strokes on previous or next rounds played in order to have the total score fixed.
Now, I know in a way its an incorrect submission. But again, in a way somehow different. :/ I am extremely sad about it, as I was excited about my chances of winning and maybe having a shot at the masters as an amateur. I was literally checking the leaderboards every day on the website as on the Xbox just to compare my scores  .
All I know is that I was 100% sure that I came to the site to entered my first round, but somehow because I my own mistakes it wasn't counted or I did it wrong.
My point of all of this is to whiny about it, just to maybe find a wiggle room for cases like this or similar. Cause I didn't its about us having fun and trying to keep as real as possible but again, I guess for most of us fun is the reason why we all are here.
P.s. Please don't tell me that in real life when a golfer signs a wrong scorecard he gets punished too (I know that, and I understand it  ). Its a different thing hehe. That golfer doesn't have to work a flight for 16 hours to the other side of the world and come hehe. I barely even know the day of the week most days 
P.s. Problem explain in numbers: First round was -5 and the second one -10. I thought I had posted the -5, but it didn't or I didn't do it. Making the -10 my first round instead of the -5. As soon as I noticed I contacted the organization to let them know.
Andre 
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 26, 2015 5:42:42 GMT -5
The rule is in place, I think it would be unfair to change it for yourself when others may have done the same in the past, not complained, and be DQd.
Having said that I wonder if it's something that could be looked at as whilst I don't think it is unfair as it is in the rules, it does seem a bit harsh and I guess is in place for Admin reasons.
I think yourself, whilst I feel for you, they can't change your situation because you raised the issues here as it wouldn't be fair on those that haven't complained and just accepted the Dq, however it could change things for the future
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Post by Coniglio on Mar 26, 2015 5:46:15 GMT -5
I am not asking to maybe change my situation. Not really the main point. But to check into it for the future, that was the main point.
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Post by foolinjection on Mar 26, 2015 7:29:43 GMT -5
I don't see an issue with the way this is handled, only because in real life golf the R&A rulebooks have the same rules regarding an incorrect scorecard.
If you sign for a card with a score less than what you actually shot, you get disqualified. Sign for something over what you shot and the penalty is that it's the score you have to take.
I know it's only a video game at the end of the day but the way the rules are regarding this are realistic. So there is parity there.
If TGC really wanted to change it, and I'm not suggesting they do, the only other way to really handle it would be make it a softer penalty and, say, alter the score but penalise the player two strokes and possibly loss of ranking points.
So for example you accidentally submitted a 70 instead of a 72. Your score would be altered to the correct 72 but then you'd be penalised 2 strokes, so your submitted score would then become a 74.
The player isn't disqualified but in a tightly contested tournament, could potentially drop them down the leader-board considerably. The loss of WGR ranking points as well, would basicly mean you'd retain prize money and your place on the money list but your overall ranking would drop as if you didn't attend the tournament. Potentially then missing the ranking cut off for a Major or an Invitational.
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Post by Coniglio on Mar 26, 2015 7:45:06 GMT -5
I don't see an issue with the way this is handled, only because in real life golf the R&A rulebooks have the same rules regarding an incorrect scorecard. If you sign for a card with a score less than what you actually shot, you get disqualified. Sign for something over what you shot and the penalty is that it's the score you have to take. I know it's only a video game at the end of the day but the way the rules are regarding this are realistic. So there is parity there. If TGC really wanted to change it, and I'm not suggesting they do, the only other way to really handle it would be make it a softer penalty and, say, alter the score but penalise the player two strokes and possibly loss of ranking points. So for example you accidentally submitted a 70 instead of a 72. Your score would be altered to the correct 72 but then you'd be penalised 2 strokes, so your submitted score would then become a 74. The player isn't disqualified but in a tightly contested tournament, could potentially drop them down the leader-board considerably. The loss of WGR ranking points as well, would basicly mean you'd retain prize money and your place on the money list but your overall ranking would drop as if you didn't attend the tournament. Potentially then missing the ranking cut off for a Major or an Invitational. That sounds good. In real life they also have penalty strokes. Could be used in similar case. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2015 8:03:37 GMT -5
It's an unfortunate occurrence and it happens regularly, but TGC Tours doesn't plan on changing or discussing the way we handle course submission errors any time in the foreseeable future. Sorry this had to happen with such a good tournament going for yourself.
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). Its a different thing hehe. That golfer doesn't have to work a flight for 16 hours to the other side of the world and come 
