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Post by PSU-Cappy on Mar 29, 2015 9:47:48 GMT -5
Moaning when there are holes like 1 and 8 where it's better to miss the green completely and play for a chip and a putt. I have no problem with the rest of the course (save for a couple holes where if the wind is above 10 and in your face, you can reach the tier the pin is on) and think its a fair test Played 3 rounds so far, hole 1, 1 birdie, 1 par, 1 bogie, Hole 8 2 pars, 1 bogie.
I just cannot fathom having a problem with those holes. they are total need to plan your shot and make the shot, both offer safe pars but punish the slightly missed shot trying to chew your way to an easy birdie. They are both for that reason absolutely perfect, intelligently designed holes.
Let me guess - your two pars you were in the fringe/rough just in front of the pin/green and your bogey you actually hit the green?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 9:55:23 GMT -5
We get moaning when the conditions are firm, we get moaning when the conditions like this week are medium, seems unless the course is a birdie fest, we are going to get a lot of moaning about the course. I think the PGA tour should be reserved for the most challenging courses, with the hardest conditions, where the best of the best go to compete. Just that simple, I hope TGCTours head in that direction as well. If you do not like challenging courses with challenging conditions and competing against the best players, I hear Sally is looking for a game. There's a big difference between challenging greens and completely unrealistic ones. Fact of the matter is we have a large handful of people here with thousands of hours put into the game who destroy any course put in front of them. Personally, i dont have that sort of time commitment available, ill be lucky if i have the time for one practice round. The course designer has already messaged me and said that he was told to make the greens harder. And I'm not knocking his course, i think it is quite nice and he obviously spent a good deal of time on it. Ill probably be asking for a demotion or leave the league altogether if this going to be norm. When its becomes no fun, i stop playing. That may be the answer then. not sure why anyone would think that the top tour would not require a top game to compete against the top players. This course takes any weakness in your game and highlights it as an area of anyone's game that needs improving. That's perfect in my books for the top tour. You should be required to be able to have all the shots, and need to use the area between your ears.
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Post by bentfivewood on Mar 29, 2015 9:57:36 GMT -5
course management. Risk/reward. That first green you can go right at the pin but you risk a lot of trouble. If you go left of the pin you have a longer putt but it's uphill and fairly straight. Sometimes you have to aim for par and you may get birdie. And if you aim for birdie you may get bogey or worse. I love this course because it will burn a lot of the pin seekers. There's a 2 foot window to have a legit chance at birdie. If you miss it long and left, you bring in bogey with the way the slope runs to the right and takes you off the green (or close to it). you miss short and again you bring in double with the false front. Long and right and you have to leave the putt short or you're running off the green. I am currently sitting 209 yards away with a 14 mph wind in my face. I don't see any "reward" available Yes. Exactly what I said. Not every tree you climb is a fruit-bearing one.
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Post by PSU-Cappy on Mar 29, 2015 10:00:29 GMT -5
There's a 2 foot window to have a legit chance at birdie. If you miss it long and left, you bring in bogey with the way the slope runs to the right and takes you off the green (or close to it). you miss short and again you bring in double with the false front. Long and right and you have to leave the putt short or you're running off the green. I am currently sitting 209 yards away with a 14 mph wind in my face. I don't see any "reward" available Yes. Exactly what I said. Not every tree you climb is a fruit-bearing one. But to avoid the rotten fruit, you shouldn't ever have to intentionally miss the green
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 10:05:15 GMT -5
Played 3 rounds so far, hole 1, 1 birdie, 1 par, 1 bogie, Hole 8 2 pars, 1 bogie.
I just cannot fathom having a problem with those holes. they are total need to plan your shot and make the shot, both offer safe pars but punish the slightly missed shot trying to chew your way to an easy birdie. They are both for that reason absolutely perfect, intelligently designed holes.
Let me guess - your two pars you were in the fringe/rough just in front of the pin/green and your bogey you actually hit the green? No, all the same actually, all were off the green, bad chip left a long put to save the par and I missed the putt. I play to much like Phil and fire at to many pins, it's a good thing I can putt, or I would easily be over par on this course with that strategy. I think the strategy on this course is to go for the long birdie putts. 2 or 3 rounds of practice, and 3 tour rounds in, I think I'm finally getting the hang of the course. :-)
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Post by PSU-Cappy on Mar 29, 2015 10:07:47 GMT -5
Let me guess - your two pars you were in the fringe/rough just in front of the pin/green and your bogey you actually hit the green? No, all the same actually, all were off the green, bad chip left a long put to save the par and I missed the putt. I play to much like Phil and fire at to many pins, it's a good thing I can putt, or I would easily be over par on this course with that strategy. I think the strategy on this course is to go for the long birdie putts. 2 or 3 rounds of practice, and 3 tour rounds in, I think I'm finally getting the hang of the course. :-) Like I said before - I like this course save for a few holes. Playing in the 14-18 mph winds make it extremely tough. Frustration on 8 where i can put it 4 feet away from the pin and be left with either a birdie or bogey (putt either goes in or its off the green)...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 10:09:06 GMT -5
Yes. Exactly what I said. Not every tree you climb is a fruit-bearing one. But to avoid the rotten fruit, you shouldn't ever have to intentionally miss the green I have not yet played any course here where I played that strategy yet on purpose, nor have I ever met a course here where the play was to bounce it on to the green from off the green on purpose. I also have not won any tournaments, so maybe I'm doing it all wrong. :-)
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Post by bentfivewood on Mar 29, 2015 10:09:24 GMT -5
Yes. Exactly what I said. Not every tree you climb is a fruit-bearing one. But to avoid the rotten fruit, you shouldn't ever have to intentionally miss the green I have played fire rock about 8 times in a variety of conditions and I've hit the green probably 5 times. None of those times have I ever felt I needed to miss the green. My experience is that the troubles are all about where you put your tee shot. Moderate to extreme wind in your face represents a small percentage of conditions when playing the first hole.. When that happens you may have to rethink how you make you approach. But it can happen on most challenging courses.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2015 10:11:57 GMT -5
No, all the same actually, all were off the green, bad chip left a long put to save the par and I missed the putt. I play to much like Phil and fire at to many pins, it's a good thing I can putt, or I would easily be over par on this course with that strategy. I think the strategy on this course is to go for the long birdie putts. 2 or 3 rounds of practice, and 3 tour rounds in, I think I'm finally getting the hang of the course. :-) Like I said before - I like this course save for a few holes. Playing in the 14-18 mph winds make it extremely tough. Frustration on 8 where i can put it 4 feet away from the pin and be left with either a birdie or bogey (putt either goes in or its off the green)... Yeah I keep firing for above the pin, and it never stays on the green, maybe that's a good thing. :-)
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Post by PSU-Cappy on Mar 29, 2015 10:12:31 GMT -5
But to avoid the rotten fruit, you shouldn't ever have to intentionally miss the green I have played fire rock about 8 times in a variety of conditions and I've hit the green probably 5 times. None of those times have I ever felt I needed to miss the green. My experience is that the troubles are all about where you put your tee shot. Moderate to extreme wind in your face represents a small percentage of conditions when playing the first hole.. When that happens you may have to rethink how you make you approach. But it can happen on most challenging courses. My only re-thinking is I should have wind waited...unfortunately, I didn't have the time
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 29, 2015 13:13:04 GMT -5
Turn on your TVs right now and take a close look at the greens at San Antonio. Fun to watch Spieth chase Walker but check the greens - slopes and pin placements.
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 29, 2015 13:42:56 GMT -5
San Anotnio - 8th hole, Par 5, 612 yds: slope much in front of the pin?
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 29, 2015 13:48:19 GMT -5
Same hole, camera view from behind"
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Post by MrSourNinja on Mar 29, 2015 14:48:43 GMT -5
Same hole, camera view from behind" I call this green two tiered also with a false front. There is quite a hearty tier there I don't think anyone is denying that but what you don't see is the pin on the ridge in between tiers. The pin has quite a bit of room around it up on the top shelf.
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Post by nevadaballin on Mar 29, 2015 15:22:47 GMT -5
Not on that particular hole but they do exist on the tour. Make a green like the one below in TGC and I bet you'd hear a ton of "that's not realistic!" .... even though it is very real Sometimes I think that people don't realize how tough the pro tour greens are on championship courses.
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