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Post by cseanny on Jun 23, 2020 18:23:00 GMT -5
D, 1i, 3i-9i, and all wedges. Driver off the deck is the way to go but be sure to use maximum loft with it. A F/F Driver off the deck with a good lie can travel 295 yards. The 2w is simply redundant. 1i with 40-48y of side spin travels the 2i distance, not to mention, a F/F 1i travels 255y (or about the 3w distance). Absolutely no gaps is nice.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 23, 2020 20:03:01 GMT -5
D, 1i, 3i-9i, and all wedges. Driver off the deck is the way to go but be sure to use maximum loft with it. A F/F Driver off the deck with a good lie can travel 295 yards. The 2w is simply redundant. 1i with 40-48y of side spin travels the 2i distance, not to mention, a F/F 1i travels 255y (or about the 3w distance). Absolutely no gaps is nice. I could recognize a ps4 player by miles exactly reading this kind of statement  Please, don't equivocate the sense of my words, they are not intended to be offensive in any way, i swear, but is reading this kind of posts that is clear to me how much different can be the game we play. I'm sure that theorically all you say is absolutely correct, but i also well know that if i try to implement this philosophy to my game, the results would be very different for me. Because if i use more than 6/7 clicks of spin on any club bigger than a 7/8 iron, woods and driver included, the dispersion on trajectory i suffer on my controller on PC starts to be so penalizing that i could have hardly some prize of any kind. I should obtain everytime a swing ABSOLUTELY straight..and this is simply not possible. For us PC and XBox players, is impossible to deal with a too tiny blue cone, because for some reason the sensitivity of controllers about tempo (mainly) and straightness is way bigger than on PS4. Is nobody's fault, is just a simple fact. And i say this knowing of what i talk about, after i played this game on the ps4 of my little brother, months ago, and i couldn't believe how much easier it was. And i'm not joking at all when i say that Master Club on Ps4 offers, roughly, the same difficulty level faced by who plays with Pro Clubs on PC or XBox. No jokes. I read the discussion on the US Open threaf and i would add that where the difference between systems is absolutely too big and really stunning is about partial shots on chip and flop shots. Something that lot of players (Ps4 players, usually) use with no difficulty, but that on my PC, for example, is something simply impossible to deal with. I learned quite soon to forget about these shots. If i try 20 times a partial chip or flop shot, 16/18 times i'll actually obtain a partial shot, BUT with a fast/very fast backswing so huge that the ball is simply impossible to control. Is for this reason that at some point i started to use the slow backswing, in these situations...is not cause i find it easier, but because is simply the only way i can menage certain distances. Is just to survive. Unfortunally, this is the situation. Is an issue of the game..and i hope the next iteration will solve it..but for some reason i'm not too optimistic.  Meanwhile, i find very interesting how every player looks and finds his own way to be competitive. Is one of the reasons why i love so much this game |
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Post by Riotous on Jun 23, 2020 20:57:31 GMT -5
Not the thread for this conversation Ezz but the majority of PS4 players have the same issues as you regarding keeping in the cone and partial shots. I'm not disagreeing that the stats prove out there is an advantage on PS4, i would simply like to add that Sean and Vitaly who have posted on here are EXCELLENT players and don't represent the skill level that the majority of Master Club users have, i can't do partial swings with a good tempo, the result is either a fluff or a thin, so i don't try it.
This isn't meant to be argumentative, you know it's all love from me to you, i just get a little defensive when i see the PS4 debate
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Post by cseanny on Jun 23, 2020 21:25:25 GMT -5
Unfortunately most of what you're saying is based on the anecdotal. I own the game on PC also, so I can tell you with 100% certainty that when it comes to the PC, your quote regarding skill/club/comparison is tragically incorrect. No jokes.
Quoting SmilingGoats: Statistically speaking Beginner/Pro clubs are in fact pretty even. ezzinomilonga Do you have any relevant data to support your claim that people using Master Clubs on PS4 are equivalent to the same difficulty level as PC/XB1 players on Pro Clubs? If you do, please share!, seriously!! If the lower club sets are even, then how in the world do we make the jump to PS4 Master Clubs being the same skill level as PC/XB1 playing on Pro Clubs? I'd love to hear some feedback on this!!
Regarding Master vs. Master clubs, here is another quote from SmilingGoats:
So Master vs Master PS4 is definitely leading the pack (as we all know), with PC in the middle of the pack, and XB1 pathetically and forever left behind. Again, this is Master versus Master only. Pro clubs for all the systems are, according to SmilingGoats, statistically pretty even. That said, it's not difficult to shoot low scores on PC (Master Clubs) at difficult courses with difficult conditions. Here's a practice round on PC (-17) of the very 1st Q-School on St. Bedes in hard conditions (firm greens, very fast greens, and heavy winds). I even played using a mouse (975 dpi), which as we know, is even more difficult than using a controller. The game had literally just come out so you'll see me using a 2w o_^. Not anymore though!!! . If we use your logic then I should score much, Much, MUCH better if I played on PC with Pro Clubs, yes? I have a very hard time believing I could shoot -20 per round @st. Bedes, under these conditions and length using Pro Clubs on PC. You'll have to manually copy and paste the link into a new browser. No idea why. twitch.tv/videos/326783770 You'll need to manually add www. in front of the twitch.tv/videos/326783770 to view.
As far as D off the deck and cone comments, it's not necessary to hit perfect straight lines to hit good shots. Most people have a tendency to hit a little bit left or right, therefore it's not hard to adjust accordingly. And with a little time and effort, it's not difficult to deliberately hit shots on the left side in the cone, or the right side in the cone. And if you do happen to miss the cone a little bit, you already know which way you'll miss.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 23, 2020 23:48:50 GMT -5
cseanny no mate, i never made a "serious" scientific comparison, is just what i experienced playing the game on the ps4 for various days. Of course this proofs nothing, i know it. As i said, after this i decided quite soon that was useless to concentrate too much about the differences or to be sad about this..and i just worked to find a way to play..and actually is what i did. And i'm actually quite happy, the only real plague is still that pair of randomic very fast downswing i suffer on almost every round and that unfortunally costs always some stroke on my tournament..but there is nothing to do about this, so is useless to scratch my head too much and i just play and try to do my best. About straightness, i don't know if the controller of my brother made some difference in my experience trying his PS4 (it was an original PS4 controller, anyway) and i have no reasons to doubt about what you say and the data you shared (thank you, for this, i appreciated ), i can only confirm that i found really easier to obtain more constantly a straight line. I would have no reasons to say this if it should not be true. But i understand that a single test, even if long a good amount of days, can't be considered the proof you correctly ask, while the data you shared actually can..so there is not so much i can add to the debate, i fear. Then i can only assume i'm wrong, but what i said is what i experienced. Nothing more, nothing less. It would be interesting to try again, but this time using my controller on his PS4 (my controller is a PS4 too, and is for this reason that i felt so much and so exactly the difference and why i was so surprised), but actually i'm not even sure he has still the game (he totally disliked TGC2019, is not a huge fan of golf games and his habits was with the TW franchise... ) but if i should have the chance to try again, i'll do it for sure...just to satisfy my curiosity, at this point..always hoping that all these things will change with the next game. Thank you for the time you spent, has been constructive and i appreciated it
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Post by lessthanbread on Jun 24, 2020 9:12:21 GMT -5
2W for me. In my opinion, distance in golf is like speed in other sports, it kills. Probably the one club in my bag I've never thought about taking out.
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Post by cseanny on Jun 24, 2020 13:08:42 GMT -5
ezzinomilonga There is a secret tip on PC I'll share with you!!! This tip only works if your graphics card has settings which allow you to "pin" your cpu power Mhz. Virtually all AMDs allow you to do this, while Nvidia is hit and miss. What do I mean by "pin" your Mhz? All systems have power ranges, which can be something similar to "power save", "balanced", "high performance", or "highest performance", and perhaps even "overclock power settings". Each one of these settings has a Mhz range at which they operate. I.e., "power save" might work between 1200 Mhz - 1800 Mhz, while "highest performance" could run at 6200 - 7200 Mhz, so on and so forth. "Pinning" your power settings simply means having your system run at ONE PRECISE setting. Take the "highest performance" setting of 6200 - 7200 Mhz; we could "PIN" it to always run at 6600 Mhz, and only 6600 Mhz. How is this beneficial? Most importantly, it ensures your in game tempo will have the best chance to be the same. Let's imagine you have a floating and unpinned power range of 6200 - 7200. Let's say for one swing your PC power is randomly operating at 6200 Mhz, and your in game swing is a Perfect/Perfect tempo. Now then, your next swing you deliver your normal stick movement and the swing feels perfect, but, you get a VF downswing. You scratch your head because it doesn't make any sense; none at all. Well guess what, your PC happened to be running at 7200 Mhz this time. Do we see the problem? Subtle changes in your PCs operating power will always have an effect on your in game golf swing. Here's an example from an old WGT video I made so you don't think I'm a crazy tin hat wearer; I'm timing the speed of the dots starting at the 1st all red grid below my feet, from when the dot 1st appears to when it hits the end of the grid:
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 24, 2020 14:18:15 GMT -5
cseanny wow What you did is really something super kind, i appreciated it immensely, not just because this advice could actually solve the only serious issue i have with this game. Thank you, really. Also for the time you spent. You know..when i bought this PC, the guy (quite competent, i must admit) who helped me to assemblate the best possible PC with the few money i had to spend at that time, actually told me immediately about this chance, but i still was not playing this game and, not playing any other videogame on PC (except Football Manager and, mainly, RFactor 1 that, being an old game, actually runs really smooth on my PC, with no need to tweak anything) and, finding the move not useful for my needs, i not only decided to not implement it, but actually i also totally forgot about this thing. I should to add that, having very few money to spend when i bought my PC, i decided to invest the most part of them on a pretty good motherboard and processor (thinking that with a good starting base, i could always update it with no rush, when/if i'll ever have some money to invest on it ), but finally i did all this at the expenses of the graphic card, that is an AMD Ryzen 3, that i find to be not bad at all, but..is an integrated graphic card. I say this cause i have mainly one doubt: do you think this trick could work properly on my graphic card, or it could require a "pinning" point so low that could be in fact useless to implement it? And, other doubt (probably silly), if i fix the MHz, how this thing could inficiate the temperatures? I mean, if i fix the MHz at a certain point, it will work ALWAYS at that power, even when the PC actually is not working so much (or at all) or everything would be still managed accordingly as it happens now?
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Post by sandsaver01 on Jun 24, 2020 14:24:22 GMT -5
ezzinomilonga There is a secret tip on PC I'll share with you!!! This tip only works if your graphics card has settings which allow you to "pin" your cpu power Mhz. Virtually all AMDs allow you to do this, while Nvidia is hit and miss. What do I mean by "pin" your Mhz? All systems have power ranges, which can be something similar to "power save", "balanced", "high performance", or "highest performance", and perhaps even "overclock power settings". Each one of these settings has a Mhz range at which they operate. I.e., "power save" might work between 1200 Mhz - 1800 Mhz, while "highest performance" could run at 6200 - 7200 Mhz, so on and so forth. "Pinning" your power settings simply means having your system run at ONE PRECISE setting. Take the "highest performance" setting of 6200 - 7200 Mhz; we could "PIN" it to always run at 6600 Mhz, and only 6600 Mhz. How is this beneficial? Most importantly, it ensures your in game tempo will have the best chance to be the same. Let's imagine you have a floating and unpinned power range of 6200 - 7200. Let's say for one swing your PC power is randomly operating at 6200 Mhz, and your in game swing is a Perfect/Perfect tempo. Now then, your next swing you deliver your normal stick movement and the swing feels perfect, but, you get a VF downswing. You scratch your head because it doesn't make any sense; none at all. Well guess what, your PC happened to be running at 7200 Mhz this time. Do we see the problem? Subtle changes in your PCs operating power will always have an effect on your in game golf swing. Here's an example from an old WGT video I made so you don't think I'm a crazy tin hat wearer; I'm timing the speed of the dots starting at the 1st all red grid below my feet, from when the dot 1st appears to when it hits the end of the grid: Hey Sean I wanted to look at the video, but it just says "this video is private" when you click on it. |
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Post by cseanny on Jun 24, 2020 14:31:16 GMT -5
sandsaver01 It should work!!??
ezzinomilonga You'd have no heating issues. I don't know if it would work with your integrated graphics card or not, sorry. You have to open up your AMD software and see, or, sometimes, AMD also gives you "pin" options in your Windows Control Panel under power settings. I currently have a Nvidia which won't allow me to do it =/. When not playing TGC simply unpin your power settings and leave them at your normal.
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