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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 7:20:23 GMT -5
A Little Brook Manor comparison, WTF? Well, I was proud of my course until I just finishing reading this thread. Ouch. Well I have been saying the following so long and so much that I'm sure it has/is falling on deaf ears. However there is no longer any place on the PGA tour for Medium Medium conditions unless as a designer you wish to have 275 yard par 3's, 550 yard par 4's and 700 yard par 5's.
It really is just that simple, the game is fine, the game is perfect, there is nothing wrong with the game, it's the conditions that designers need to adjust to. What worked 2 months ago, does not work today.
Designers are making the game look bad, it's the designers that are at fault for the low scores, not the game. This game is unique from others in that we can design courses here.
Firm and fast is our friend, as designers you know what is going to happen on firm and fast and need design with that in mind. Especially since chipping etc has been banned on the greens here, designers could really wreak some havoc on golfers with firm and fast conditions. As a designer you could ensure golfers approaches remain on the green, this could be done with slope and mid iron approach shots.
So as a designer, if you do not want your course obliterated, ignore medium/medium.
This course a few hundred yards shorter with firm and fast conditions would be absolutely perfect as it is a very nice well done design.
It's obvious I suck as a designer having placed dead last in 2 consecutive competitions, however here is an example of what I'm trying to ask designers to do. Ignore the not so obvious to me imperfections of the hole. But this hole is 445 yards, 45 feet down hill. Medium medium this hole gets killed every time, firm fast it's a completely different story.
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Post by NCFCRulz on Mar 16, 2015 7:20:55 GMT -5
That last round was a huge WOW!!!!!!!!!!! Seeing as that was done, I'm sure there will be a few hundred people following that ghost, if you would not mind saving that scorecard for me I would appreciate that, I skipped past the screen by accident and that card is one for the mantle. amazing Steve 14 birdies and 4 par 5 eagles?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 7:38:00 GMT -5
amazing Steve 14 birdies and 4 par 5 eagles? I holed out a few times and lipped for an albi on 18. I want a screen of the scorecard though.
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Post by t2theb2 on Mar 16, 2015 7:40:44 GMT -5
Wont be long before the the cut is -30 and the winner shoots -80 or better. Need to make the these courses harder. There is a few out there that you really have to play smart on. Firmness needs to be upped. Shot shaping should have to be played to get close to pins. Really hope the winning course for the US Open is as tough as they come like real life.
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Post by bentfivewood on Mar 16, 2015 9:04:26 GMT -5
Complete contrast to last week. Felt like the shots were going where I wanted them to last week and just squirting all over the place this week. Maybe a few putts inside 10 feet in two rounds. Just no consistency from me or the game.
My first two rounds matched Steve's last round. Ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 11:59:29 GMT -5
I disagree - firm just makes it pot luck on who gets the lucky bounce.
Skill should be rewarded. A great shot to 5 feet shouldn't bound over the green like some super bouncy ball Perfect Parallel physics
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 12:27:12 GMT -5
I disagree - firm just makes it pot luck on who gets the lucky bounce. Skill should be rewarded. A great shot to 5 feet shouldn't bound over the green like some super bouncy ball Perfect Parallel physics Of course you are absolutely right, however I don't define a great shot as bouncing over the green, I define that as a poor shot.
This is the PGA tour, by now we should know what our clubs are going to carry and roll out to in all conditions for all clubs and shots. Simply knowing your carry distance and hitting that shot is making a mockery of the tour and the game.
If that means back to driving range for more practice, then so be it, if that means web-com for you so be it also.
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Post by MrSourNinja on Mar 16, 2015 12:53:24 GMT -5
I disagree - firm just makes it pot luck on who gets the lucky bounce. Skill should be rewarded. A great shot to 5 feet shouldn't bound over the green like some super bouncy ball Perfect Parallel physics Of course you are absolutely right, however I don't define a great shot as bouncing over the green, I define that as a poor shot.
This is the PGA tour, by now we should know what our clubs are going to carry and roll out to in all conditions for all clubs and shots. Simply knowing your carry distance and hitting that shot is making a mockery of the tour and the game.
If that means back to driving range for more practice, then so be it, if that means web-com for you so be it also.
I agree. If you land it five feet from the pin in hard coniditions than you didn't hit a good shot. A good shot would have landed short and rolled to pin high.
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Post by dlw1964 on Mar 16, 2015 13:09:44 GMT -5
Firm = no fun
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Post by birchalism on Mar 16, 2015 15:04:25 GMT -5
Can we start playing some hard courses? -60 and better scores take away a ton of realism.
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Post by t2theb2 on Mar 16, 2015 15:30:05 GMT -5
Watch the golf in real depending on conditions they cannot attack quite a few pins in each round. This makes you play for a long putt which is how it should be. I struggle to imagine how you think a tap in birdie on every hole is how this game should be.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 15:45:38 GMT -5
Watch the golf in real depending on conditions they cannot attack quite a few pins in each round. This makes you play for a long putt which is how it should be. I struggle to imagine how you think a tap in birdie on every hole is how this game should be. ya i agree, so many ppl will bag you for a pin location that does not allow for an easy birdie, IE: pin front side guarded by a bunker when approach is 150+ yards out, they expect that pin to be in the back of the green. ive been saying this for a long time, its GIR not PIR (green in regulation not pin in regulation)
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Post by mcbogga on Mar 16, 2015 16:18:32 GMT -5
I disagree - firm just makes it pot luck on who gets the lucky bounce. Skill should be rewarded. A great shot to 5 feet shouldn't bound over the green like some super bouncy ball Perfect Parallel physics I believe medium firmness and fast speed coupled with skillfull sloping of the green based on the length of the approach is possibly the best set up. Or even medium medium with better sloping of the greens is not nessecarily bad. There is room for the concrete courses as well, but that have to be built in a certain way and there is more freedom with the fast greens that are not concrete. There is not one answer to what is good - but it's 100% clear that medium medium with large flat greens is not suitable for the big show. Steve - awesome score btw!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2015 21:43:15 GMT -5
-10 first round - played like utter garbage but eagled 18 to get to double digits
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Post by MLT24 on Mar 16, 2015 22:23:17 GMT -5
Finally got my swing back this week, sweww.
58,57,56,59
On round 3 I missed a 2 foot eagle putt on 18, ouch! Would have shot a 55 and the lowest round for me ever. But very happy to shoot my potential again after losing my swing for a couple of weeks.
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