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Post by coys997 on May 6, 2020 20:23:03 GMT -5
How about making flights for Master Club users only. Make things more “apples to apples.” Not something we can do mid-season. But apparently you can make up ridiculous demotion rules mid season. Glad you guys have priorities in order. Incredible. |
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Post by eastnortheast on May 14, 2020 18:26:11 GMT -5
Not something we can do mid-season. But apparently you can make up ridiculous demotion rules mid season. Glad you guys have priorities in order. Incredible. This site is run by people who volunteer their time, effort, and money. IMO, I think they are doing a pretty darn good job making a community that obviously a lot of people seem to enjoy. Do I agree with every single rule there is for TGCTours - no, but I do know that the rules apply to everyone. At the end of the day, it is a game on a screen. I wouldn't even say it is for bragging rights, because if I talk to 99.999+% of people around, they would have no idea what I was talking about if I told them that I was ranked #XXXX on TGCTours. |
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Post by coys997 on May 14, 2020 19:56:17 GMT -5
But apparently you can make up ridiculous demotion rules mid season. Glad you guys have priorities in order. Incredible. This site is run by people who volunteer their time, effort, and money. IMO, I think they are doing a pretty darn good job making a community that obviously a lot of people seem to enjoy. Do I agree with every single rule there is for TGCTours - no, but I do know that the rules apply to everyone. At the end of the day, it is a game on a screen. I wouldn't even say it is for bragging rights, because if I talk to 99.999+% of people around, they would have no idea what I was talking about if I told them that I was ranked #XXXX on TGCTours. I'd prob complain less about rules like fast track demotion if the playing field was actually even, but instead folks who use Masters clubs are forced to compete against folks who use easier club sets. That + fast track demotion is dumb. I don't give a sh%$ about bragging rights, I just want things to be fair and they aren't the way it's set up. |
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Post by sandsaver01 on May 15, 2020 6:39:39 GMT -5
This site is run by people who volunteer their time, effort, and money. IMO, I think they are doing a pretty darn good job making a community that obviously a lot of people seem to enjoy. Do I agree with every single rule there is for TGCTours - no, but I do know that the rules apply to everyone. At the end of the day, it is a game on a screen. I wouldn't even say it is for bragging rights, because if I talk to 99.999+% of people around, they would have no idea what I was talking about if I told them that I was ranked #XXXX on TGCTours. I'd prob complain less about rules like fast track demotion if the playing field was actually even, but instead folks who use Masters clubs are forced to compete against folks who use easier club sets. That + fast track demotion is dumb. I don't give a sh%$ about bragging rights, I just want things to be fair and they aren't the way it's set up. Four, count-em four posts and already this guy is b1tching about fairness. I think he should find somewhere else to play if he is unhappy at TGCTours. There are plenty of "Masters Clubs Only" societies out there. |
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Post by Giraffe72 on May 15, 2020 6:53:34 GMT -5
I'd prob complain less about rules like fast track demotion if the playing field was actually even, but instead folks who use Masters clubs are forced to compete against folks who use easier club sets. That + fast track demotion is dumb. I don't give a sh%$ about bragging rights, I just want things to be fair and they aren't the way it's set up. Four, count-em four posts and already this guy is b1tching about fairness. I think he should find somewhere else to play if he is unhappy at TGCTours. There are plenty of "Masters Clubs Only" societies out there. To be fair, it is frustrating using Masters clubs in the Challenge Circuit and I'm very glad I escaped before this massive influx of players. The rules changes brought in previously made it much fairer on earning promotion marks but still it's very easy to lose them or gain demotion marks against fields full of people playing an easier game. Add in fast track demotions and that's a very fine line that Masters players are walking! I don't blame the admin for the inequalities in TGC's club sets which is what has caused the imbalance, they're also a victim of their own success with the numbers we have playing each week, and the poster could have been a bit less arsey (he's a Spurs fan so probably used to disappointment  ) but I do understand the frustration. Here's hoping the new game makes things a little fairer for everyone! |
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Post by sandsaver01 on May 15, 2020 7:47:19 GMT -5
To be fair, it is frustrating using Masters clubs in the Challenge Circuit and I'm very glad I escaped before this massive influx of players. The rules changes brought in previously made it much fairer on earning promotion marks but still it's very easy to lose them or gain demotion marks against fields full of people playing an easier game. Add in fast track demotions and that's a very fine line that Masters players are walking! I don't blame the admin for the inequalities in TGC's club sets which is what has caused the imbalance, they're also a victim of their own success with the numbers we have playing each week, and the poster could have been a bit less arsey (he's a Spurs fan so probably used to disappointment ;) ) but I do understand the frustration. Here's hoping the new game makes things a little fairer for everyone! You certainly have a position here Jamie. What bothers me about your statement (and other Masters users as well, you are not alone) is the "playing an easier game" statement. Yes it is easier to get a good swing, but the loss of distance, and even less spin do counteract that to some extent. On a whole lot of TGCTour course Pro club users are hitting 6I into the green where Masters users have a 9I, and that makes a big difference in accuracy. Also there are many many par fives where I have no chance to reach in two and no chance at eagle, where Masters club users do. So let us remember and tell the whole story. |
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Post by CTLegacy on May 15, 2020 10:31:05 GMT -5
To be fair, it is frustrating using Masters clubs in the Challenge Circuit and I'm very glad I escaped before this massive influx of players. The rules changes brought in previously made it much fairer on earning promotion marks but still it's very easy to lose them or gain demotion marks against fields full of people playing an easier game. Add in fast track demotions and that's a very fine line that Masters players are walking! I don't blame the admin for the inequalities in TGC's club sets which is what has caused the imbalance, they're also a victim of their own success with the numbers we have playing each week, and the poster could have been a bit less arsey (he's a Spurs fan so probably used to disappointment ) but I do understand the frustration. Here's hoping the new game makes things a little fairer for everyone! You certainly have a position here Jamie. What bothers me about your statement (and other Masters users as well, you are not alone) is the "playing an easier game" statement. Yes it is easier to get a good swing, but the loss of distance, and even less spin do counteract that to some extent. On a whole lot of TGCTour course Pro club users are hitting 6I into the green where Masters users have a 9I, and that makes a big difference in accuracy. Also there are many many par fives where I have no chance to reach in two and no chance at eagle, where Masters club users do. So let us remember and tell the whole story. EXACTLY. Outside of the pro tours, using Masters clubs is a CHOICE, not a requirement. You can't be in the lower divisions using Masters clubs shooting -5 for 4 rounds and then complain everyone using Pro clubs beat you. I bet a lot of Masters club users beat him too!! It's a trade off using Pro clubs. Also there's promotions going to more Masters club players each week than Pro players. |
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Post by Friz on May 15, 2020 11:59:32 GMT -5
yeah, sorry in advance i think i'm going to be pretty blunt...no one using Masters Clubs is disadvantaged playing against Pro Clubs. If anything, pro clubs are disadvantaged against masters. There is a ceiling on Pro Clubs, they simply don't go as far. If someone feels disadvantaged with Master Clubs because they're not hitting straight, thats a user problem, not a TGC Tours problem and not a game problem. No one is forced to use Master Clubs, you are electing to take a distance advantage. Once you develop consistency with Master Clubs they easily outclass Pro Clubs. If you feel the deck is stacked against you as a master club user, then either switch to pro clubs, or practice and get better using master clubs.
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Post by Giraffe72 on May 15, 2020 15:50:04 GMT -5
Wow. I'm backing out because I don't want to argue about something that doesn't actually affect me.
Hopefully the HB skill levels aren't an issue in a few months anyway.
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Post by Riotous on May 15, 2020 21:00:59 GMT -5
Is fast track staying once additional divisions are added? The whole point is that you end up in a division that suits your ability, sure the divisions overlap but I imagine the majority of players stay in the same division all season UNLESS they change via the promo event.
Off topic but there are Pro’s and Con’s about Master & Pro clubs, I suggest you use whichever you enjoy playing with the most. If Master clubs were so much easier then the top of CCA would all be Master Clubs- it’s not. Would the best Master user beat the best Pro user - yes, would the best Pro user beat an average Master user - Yes, and that’s why CCA is the highest a Pro user can go.
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Post by zorbacles on May 16, 2020 1:13:35 GMT -5
Not everyone getting promo marks in cc am are getting fast tracked. I got a promo mark in Beth page last week
Tho I think I will get a fast track this week
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on May 16, 2020 1:35:37 GMT -5
Is fast track staying once additional divisions are added? They'll probably stay, but with added flights the numbers will be spread out more. The hopes being there wouldn't be more than 200 completing all 4 rounds on the boards so there will be a lot less FT demos.. |
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on May 16, 2020 7:51:49 GMT -5
Thanks, Friz & CTLegacy for the well-stated Masters/Pro reality checks some folks need. Me, I like Pro, and get that Masters players end up with more reachable Par 5s and shorter irons in ... but I suffer a little less variance on mishits, so I can keep up when I'm playing well.
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Post by Oscar C on May 16, 2020 8:23:07 GMT -5
Thanks, Friz & CTLegacy for the well-stated Masters/Pro reality checks some folks need. Me, I like Pro, and get that Masters players end up with more reachable Par 5s and shorter irons in ... but I suffer a little less variance on mishits, so I can keep up when I'm playing well. Im in this boat, Masters for me on PC is not worth the trouble it causes me. I will DNF more if I try Masters, I’ve swapped controller etc and no difference. As for the par 5s my goal is to birdie them, eagles are nice but a min birdie is my only acceptable minimum by playing smart. That’s usually -16 right there if u play your cards right (disclaimer I don’t lol) |
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Post by jhermidav on May 20, 2020 4:22:47 GMT -5
Masters Club are much harder to play than Pro. The longer drives do not compensate the added difficulty in putting and chipping with Masters than Pro clubs. I have to agree on players using different clubs should on different classification including fastrack demotions.
Just my 2 cents
Jaime
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) but I do understand the frustration. Here's hoping the new game makes things a little fairer for everyone!
- Season 2 winner of the Golden Cow
