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Post by cliffs on Aug 30, 2020 7:20:24 GMT -5
Don't care how much they want to give me....not getting any vaccine until I know it is works and I am not saying at a 48% positive result.
Public health experts are increasingly concerned about the possibility that a coronavirus vaccine will be successfully developed but not enough Americans would be willing to receive it.
About 70% of a population being vaccinated represents the threshold needed for herd immunity, which dramatically slows the spread of viruses.
Given the potential problem, an expert from the Brookings Institution suggests that the government pay Americans $1,000 each to take the vaccine.
“If we don’t get herd immunity, we’re not getting our economy back and we’re not getting our society and our lives back,” Robert Litan, an economist who served in the Clinton administration and the Brookings scholar who authored the report.. “If you paid $1,000 a person — so for a family of four you’re talking $4,000. In these hard times, that’s a lot of money and I think a lot of people would take the vaccine for $1,000.”
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Post by golferdude1994 on Sept 1, 2020 13:58:10 GMT -5
Get a grip American people, Chadwick Boseman's death does not add on to the narrative that 2020. Yes his death is veey sad but the man had cancer for four years. His death is not a surprise, and I believe that four years of cancer is enough suffering on one's body. You cannot be so selfish that you want someone who is terminally ill with cancer live on so that you can maybe see one freaking more movie with him in it. The man's legacy will not be tainted due to his death. Besides, if you do not know him personally, or have ties with him, then his death should be nothing more than a blip on the radar. It goes back to me saying previously, that if Americans react this drastically for a celebrities death that they don't even know, how would they handle the family death or a very very close friend. If a family member, or friend did indeed pass away, would the surviving person feeling the suffering do something so dramatic that they do something irrational, such as taking their own life? To reiterate, his death is very sad and very tragic and he was a gentleman, but life does go on. Also, I would hate to see how many of these Americans would react during even tougher times than in a bacterial pandemic.How about the civil war a hundred fifty years ago when both sides of the country were literally divided, or having to live through two world wars where you would literally fear for your life if the war had suddenly entered your backyard. Or, the seemingly never-ending Vietnam war where American troops were we're in a third world country for many years. Boohoo, you have to stay home a little more nowadays, but we will get out of this. By not being able to take your cruise this summer, or going to the movie theater this year, won't that just make you appreciate doing those things more in the future when it's safer? Americans really embarrass me, my grandmother's best friend, is German and because she is in her eighties, she literally had to escape Germany during the Holocaust hiding in basements,buildings, woods, for a year-and-a-half to void the danger to flee to come here to America. This is truly battling adversity for your future, but Americans seem to have lost his heart, because God forbid they can't have all the luxuries they need. we can use this pandemic time, to really evaluate our lives and pinpoint our strengths, our weaknesses and how to maximize those strengths and minimize those weaknesses to live a better more prosperous life in the future. We all can implicitly improve our lives, and how if if you think your life is perfect, then you're only kidding yourself you can always better yourself one way or another. #firstworldproblems #alwaysnextyearforavacation #americansget tougher Just cherry picking one thing ...... You realize this “bacterial pandemic” as you calling is going to kill hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, right? Without a vaccine, fall coming and kids in schools becoming little covid torpedoes it could kill hundreds of thousands more. If you don’t think that’s serious (tough times) then I would highly recommend re-evaluating what one life means first. Then multiply it. What I meant by what I said is that we are all in the middle of a global health crisis yet people are still wallowing in a celebrities death whom they are never met and adding that to the bucket of their narrative that it is the worst year ever. I am not downplaying the virus whatsoever, I am merely saying that people are acting like this is the first speed bump we have ever encountered in the world and act like we will never overcome it. Ultimately, we will rise above this virus and eradicate it, and the great news is once it is finished, the feeling at the end will be surreal in a positive manner knowing that this virus is behind us. Yes the people lost along the way is tragic and totally mystifying, but their deaths can serve as a way to memorialize them and to appreciate it the lasting effect they have had on the Earth. With the aforementioned celebrity I was talking about, did people really want him to suffer with such severe cancer with more years just so they could eek out more fictional movies with him? That sort of selfishness pisses me off. Kobe Bryant's death, Boseman's death are just not valid reasons for having a miserable year. We still have A TON of work to do in society to eradicate this virus, but we will get there eventually. Just like Spanish flu was eradicated, the Civil War, the Revolutionary War, the World Wars, Great depression, 9/11 etc etc etc.
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Post by cliffs on Sept 1, 2020 14:41:10 GMT -5
Maybe some people feel that having a year with a deadly virus killing 100s 0f 1,000s of humans and riots/protests around the world, moreso in the USA, economy in the tank, racial divide is worse than ever in history, an election for one of two old white guys, schools and universities closed, unemployment still way too high, is a REAL GOOD GROUP OF REASONS FOR SAYING THEY ARE HAVING A MISERABLE YEAR.
BUT...I do agree with you that these too will pass as all other hard times throughout history.
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Post by nevadaballin on Sept 1, 2020 18:20:21 GMT -5
Just cherry picking one thing ...... You realize this “bacterial pandemic” as you calling is going to kill hundreds of thousands of people worldwide, right? Without a vaccine, fall coming and kids in schools becoming little covid torpedoes it could kill hundreds of thousands more. If you don’t think that’s serious (tough times) then I would highly recommend re-evaluating what one life means first. Then multiply it. What I meant by what I said is that we are all in the middle of a global health crisis yet people are still wallowing in a celebrities death whom they are never met and adding that to the bucket of their narrative that it is the worst year ever. I am not downplaying the virus whatsoever, I am merely saying that people are acting like this is the first speed bump we have ever encountered in the world and act like we will never overcome it. Ultimately, we will rise above this virus and eradicate it, and the great news is once it is finished, the feeling at the end will be surreal in a positive manner knowing that this virus is behind us. Yes the people lost along the way is tragic and totally mystifying, but their deaths can serve as a way to memorialize them and to appreciate it the lasting effect they have had on the Earth. With the aforementioned celebrity I was talking about, did people really want him to suffer with such severe cancer with more years just so they could eek out more fictional movies with him? That sort of selfishness pisses me off. Kobe Bryant's death, Boseman's death are just not valid reasons for having a miserable year. We still have A TON of work to do in society to eradicate this virus, but we will get there eventually. Just like Spanish flu was eradicated, the Civil War, the Revolutionary War, the World Wars, Great depression, 9/11 etc etc etc. I don’t see it that way at all. None of use were alive during the civil war or Spanish flu or great plague to know how that felt. But we know how this feels and it’s hortible. I’ve been alive for 60 years and 2020 has been the worst year I’ve ever had, including personally. And I thought 2018 and 2019 was bad enough as it was for my wife and I. We didn’t need this sht on top of that. Yet here we are and fate decided to add cancer on my plate too just when we were turning a corner. These days are the worst most of American society today have ever lived through. It doesn’t have to be the worst in the history of mankind for it to be horrifically bad. It’s their worst because it is all they have experienced. People are starving. Being evicted. Having vehicles repossessed. Children are sitting in front of fast food joints for internet so they can try to do their school work. Thank goodness it isn’t winter yet. But I fear what happens when that gets here. The really bad news? We still don’t have a vaccine. For many, this IS the worst of times with no best of times in sight. Don’t hate on them because they weren’t alive to fight a war in 1863 or that your situation is personality better than theirs. Note that there were people flying high in the hog during history’s other bad times too. This year has created a set of challenges that none of us were ready to deal with. We have a fcked up president who called the virus a hoax to begin with. Not even Woodrow Wilson was that lame. Wilson simply ignored it. Trump lies about it. Daily. The social unrest and fight for real equality, not only under the law but also in one another’s hearts and minds is new. Never before have we seen people from all walks of life and color band together and protest for those rights. And then there are the haters and the dumb fcks out there who believe it is incumbent upon themselves to all be their own versions of Batman vigilantism. The American experiment is a boiling kettle right now. That battle for a more perfect union needs to be won by truth and fairness, not conspiracy theory lies and divisive hate. The current President needs to go and the GOP needs to check itself in the mirror and decide who the hell they really are. Are they fiscal conservatives or are they wasteful racists and fascists? They need to decide quickly. The political pressure on the FDA to skip a phase 3 for a vaccine is one of the most irresponsible things anyone in a leadership role for this country could do. I don’t expect the FDA to do it but if they do, leadership and the heads of the FDA should be tried for treason, found guilty and put in front of a firing squad. You can go on and on, whittle it all down from one horrible piece of existence to another but that doesn’t change the fact that 2020 has been the worst year ever for many. An example of how you are sounding- The kid down the street had his leg cut off in a car accident from a drunk driver but from your view he knows nothing about suffering and shouldn’t complain because he didn’t have both legs shot off by a 100 mph cannon ball rolling on the ground during the civil war. Come on man.
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Post by boffo on Sept 1, 2020 18:51:39 GMT -5
2020 has brought us a new Bill and Ted movie so this year can't be that bad.
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Post by nevadaballin on Sept 1, 2020 19:02:20 GMT -5
2020 has brought us a new Bill and Ted movie so this year can't be that bad. I won’t watch it til 2021. Lol.
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Post by cliffs on Sept 1, 2020 19:29:26 GMT -5
I watched it last year...wait, did I?
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Post by nevadaballin on Sept 1, 2020 21:45:39 GMT -5
Those “Year In Review” shows that are on around New Years are going to need to add extra time for 2020.
Remember the year started with Australia almost burning off into the ocean. Then the sht really hit the fan after that.
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Post by cliffs on Sept 2, 2020 5:12:09 GMT -5
At the speed this year is going, we will see the review shows sooner than later. Is it me or is time really moving along at quite the pace this year...where did summer go?
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Post by cliffs on Sept 2, 2020 5:41:07 GMT -5
A pandemic-fueled tech stock surge has led to a reshuffling at the top of the U.S. billionaires list.
MacKenzie Scott, a novelist and philanthropist who recently divorced Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, is now the wealthiest woman in the world. Last week, Tesla CEO Elon Musk overtook Facebook CEO and co-founder Mark Zuckerberg to become the third-richest man in the world, after Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates.
Since pandemic lockdowns started in March, the combined U.S. billionaire wealth has grown by nearly $800 billion, or over 25 percent, according to an analysis by Americans for Tax Fairness, an advocacy group.
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Post by cliffs on Sept 2, 2020 5:45:15 GMT -5
WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration said Tuesday that it will not work with an international cooperative effort to develop and distribute a COVID-19 vaccine because it does not want to be constrained by multilateral groups like the World Health Organization.
The decision to go it alone, first reported by The Washington Post, follows the White House’s decision in early July to pull the United States out of the WHO. Trump claims the WHO is in need of reform and is heavily influenced by China.
Some nations have worked directly to secure supplies of vaccine, but others are pooling efforts to ensure success against a disease that has no geographical boundaries. More than 150 countries are setting up the COVID-19 Vaccines Global Access Facility, or COVAX.
That cooperative effort, linked with the WHO, would allow nations to take advantage of a portfolio of potential vaccines to ensure their citizens are quickly covered by whichever ones are deemed effective. The WHO says even governments making deals with individual vaccine makers would benefit from joining COVAX because it would provide backup vaccines in case the ones being made through bilateral deals with manufacturers aren't successful.
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Post by cliffs on Sept 2, 2020 5:46:30 GMT -5
LONDON (AP) — The World Health Organization says a new polio outbreak in Sudan is linked to an ongoing vaccine-sparked epidemic in Chad — a week after the U.N. health agency declared the African continent free of the wild polio virus.
In a statement this week, WHO said two children in Sudan — one from South Darfur state and the other from Gedarif state, close to the border with Ethiopia and Eritrea — were paralyzed in March and April. Both had been recently vaccinated against polio. WHO said initial outbreak investigations show the cases are linked to an ongoing vaccine-derived outbreak in Chad that was first detected last year and is now spreading in Chad and Cameroon.
“There is local circulation in Sudan and continued sharing of transmission with Chad,” the U.N. agency said, adding that genetic sequencing confirmed numerous introductions of the virus into Sudan from Chad.
WHO said it had found 11 additional vaccine-derived polio cases in Sudan and that the virus had also been identified in environmental samples. There are typically many more unreported cases for every confirmed polio patient. The highly infectious disease can spread quickly in contaminated water and most often strikes children under 5.
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Post by cliffs on Sept 2, 2020 14:17:18 GMT -5
Dr. Anthony Fauci predicts that a coronavirus vaccine will be developed by the end of 2020.
"I believe that by the time we get to the end of this calendar year that we will feel comfortable that we do have a safe and effective vaccine," Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said on NBC's "TODAY" on Wednesday.
He added that in a number of vaccine trials, there is "enough data that you would really feel comfortable it was safe and effective for the American public."
Fauci also warned about the upcoming flu season compounding the coronavirus pandemic. To help avoid that, he said the U.S. should focus hard now on reducing the spread of the virus.
“What I'd really like to see is a full court press to get us way down as a baseline, so that when you get these cases in the fall, they won't surge up,” he said.
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Post by cliffs on Sept 3, 2020 6:24:26 GMT -5
The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told governors last week to prepare for the "large-scale" distribution of a coronavirus vaccine by Nov. 1, according to a letter obtained Wednesday by NBC News.
In the Aug. 27 letter, the director, Dr. Robert Redfield, said the CDC had contracted with a pharmaceutical company, McKesson Corp., to potentially distribute hundreds of millions of vaccine doses to health departments and medical facilities across the country in the fall.
Redfield called the effort "massive" and asked governors for their help expediting applications for distribution facilities that will be set up and operated by McKesson.
"If necessary," Redfield added, the agency "asks you to consider waiving requirements that would prevent these facilities from being fully operational by November 1, 2020."
It remains highly uncertain, however, whether a vaccine will be ready by then or which manufacturer will make it. The Nov. 1 target date is two days before the presidential election.
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Post by nevadaballin on Sept 4, 2020 1:23:42 GMT -5
The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention told governors last week to prepare for the "large-scale" distribution of a coronavirus vaccine by Nov. 1, according to a letter obtained Wednesday by NBC News. In the Aug. 27 letter, the director, Dr. Robert Redfield, said the CDC had contracted with a pharmaceutical company, McKesson Corp., to potentially distribute hundreds of millions of vaccine doses to health departments and medical facilities across the country in the fall. Redfield called the effort "massive" and asked governors for their help expediting applications for distribution facilities that will be set up and operated by McKesson. "If necessary," Redfield added, the agency "asks you to consider waiving requirements that would prevent these facilities from being fully operational by November 1, 2020." It remains highly uncertain, however, whether a vaccine will be ready by then or which manufacturer will make it. The Nov. 1 target date is two days before the presidential election. The states need to prepare their logistics either way. But if there is a vaccine that isn’t fully tested, you aren’t going to have many takers among the general public. We need to know it is safe and effective. Nobody wants their teeth falling out 6 months later. Also, we need to know how long the vaccine will last. If there is no clinical proof then those vaccinated will think they are good for at least a year but find out the hard way it was only for 3 months. I’m not a fan of the fast tracking without proper validations. Haste makes waste. This needs to be right the first time.
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