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Post by reddrum on Mar 22, 2020 13:57:15 GMT -5
There are times when you end up way below the hole, possibly in a bunker, with 10-15 yards from the hole. LW goes 22y. How do you handle the shorter shots?
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Post by rob4590 on Mar 22, 2020 14:17:18 GMT -5
Loft it up, and do a partial (back)swing - just takes practice to figure out how far back to take the backswing (hint - not very!)
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Post by reddrum on Mar 23, 2020 11:16:25 GMT -5
I kept digging and saw you can do a very slow backswing too. I tried that and it worked. Also tried very slow along with lofting to really keep it short. Tough swing, but works too. Used both styles a bunch yesterday and it helped, a lot!
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Post by sandsaver01 on Mar 23, 2020 15:28:45 GMT -5
Redrum I do that as well when I am really in need. You will find that that technique is frowned upon by many purists. It is not allowed in the Ultra Sim Experience and I don't think it is in the True Sim Tour either, but it is certainly not illegal. I think if the game mechanics made it easier to tell when your backswing was at some percentage power we would not have to resort to that, but on full shots and flops it is very touchy; you can go from 50% to 100% within a few milliseconds.
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Post by CTLegacy on May 9, 2020 20:39:02 GMT -5
Full loft flop shot with LW goes about 18-20 and sticks. If it's 15yd and uphill, full loft LW flop shot would be a few yards past, if it's shorter or no hill then take 3/4 swing if you can just aim left b/c the short swing will be fast backswing and shoot right off the club.
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Post by cseanny on May 9, 2020 21:02:25 GMT -5
A fully lofted LW Lob (Master Clubs) lands 20y and rolls out to 24y. For shorter shots, simply pause your swing a little bit. Regarding "purist", I just said this in another thread: The in game mechanic of hitting a slow shot does not translate to an actual "pause", NOT AT ALL. It simply refers to the pace and speed of a full shot." Anyone with a true desire to emulate IRL golf shots would definitely implement "slows" into their online video game experience. I wouldn't give a second thought to anyone trying to give you grief over hitting a "slow tempo". sandsaver01 , "slow tempos" are most certainly allowed in TST. The partial only thing is an abstract rule for a "niche" Society. If they enjoy it, more power to them, as they have every right to enforce their own rules. |
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Post by PicnicGuy / BobalooNOLA on May 13, 2020 14:42:40 GMT -5
Yep, my problem shot at times, too. Take the green slope into consideration when deciding on full loft or not, IMO, though. I'm getting better.
FWIW, I can't understand how anyone can begrudge the hand/swing technique of another player. I don't RL golf any more, but I'm a right-handed bowler who averages 190 with a "backup" ball - and I've never been fitted, some 35 years ago I got a second hand ball and when it 'wore out' I just kept telling the pro shop to drill my new ones like that one, and buy the most 'old school' surface available. I've had the same ball for 19 years now, though. Purists in bowling scorn Jason Belmonte, but I don't mind that style.
As long as you don't attach physical guide rails to your controller, how is it cheating to have a simple, "really hard to eff up" technique ?? Has anybody ever considered that people COULD cheat by marking their monitors or making clear overlays with percentage markings for the backswing & each club to put on the screen ? That would be more fun than doing the math for me, and I'm a pretty good math guy. So play the game, and don't join societies that are so damn fussy.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on May 13, 2020 15:51:12 GMT -5
I typically use LW and a very quick swing - almost the instant it goes back to then swing forward - I've gotten pretty good with that and can usually land the ball within 1-2 ft of the hole - if not in...
It takes practice though - go to the designer and setup a green with a side bunker - place yourself in the bunker and practice the tempo - one you get the motion down, it's not all that hard.
What messes me up typically is the flop shots act totally different if you're on fairway or in the rough as opposed to in the bunker - sometimes like the shot percentage doesn't even come into effect.
Had one where I was about 32 yards from hole in Heavy rough - 64% lie - so I figured the PW (42 yards) would get me close - well, the fricken ball went 53 yards instead...
So 'where' you lie is makes a difference - but the 15-20 yards from a bunker quick swing works for me .. hope that helps..
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Post by mctrees02 on May 27, 2020 19:56:58 GMT -5
Redrum I do that as well when I am really in need. You will find that that technique is frowned upon by many purists. It is not allowed in the Ultra Sim Experience and I don't think it is in the True Sim Tour either, but it is certainly not illegal. I think if the game mechanics made it easier to tell when your backswing was at some percentage power we would not have to resort to that, but on full shots and flops it is very touchy; you can go from 50% to 100% within a few milliseconds. better make sure the purists don’t watch Hideki Matsuyama stop at the top of his backswing...or Jon Rahm’s quick whip from an abbreviated backswing, or Matt Woolf’s hip bump, shut face, pause at the top and then blow it past everybody else. There are a lot of ways to get the ball in the hole and using the quirky tempo methods of this game are akin to the many different ways a real golfer gets the ball in the hole. If somebody doesn’t think you can hit short shots with a pause at the top of their short game, then they’ve clearly never played real golf at a high level either. I’m a 5 handicap and can comfortably hit 20 yard one handed pitch, chip and bunker shots with a 2-3 second pause before my downswing....and I am far from a short game expert. |
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Post by ddixjr509 on May 29, 2020 8:26:17 GMT -5
I've also found that I'm more consistent on the short bunker shots with the slow back swing... with full loft, pausing for half a second or a full second on the top of the swing will get the ball to about 15-17y (depending on lie %). I can do the short back swing- but very inconsistent- and when it goes wrong, it really goes wrong. I think the margin of error is less on the long pause back swing.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on May 30, 2020 7:07:10 GMT -5
Furthermore, one of the biggest and worst differences i found between Ps4 and Pc (i don't know XBox) is that on these kind of shots, while a partial backswing works pretty and consistently well on PS4, on PC it results 90% of times in a partial backswing, BUT freaking fast. The result is that is simply impossible to predict in some way what distance will have your shot. Then i definitely don't care about purism  No counting that i struggle to find any purism in short game here, because is not only totally messed up (just look flight of the ball, roll, lie, everything), but is also allowed to play chip shots from bunkers with actually 0 penalties or difficulty..something that should be considered the antichrist of the realism/purism  |
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Post by ddixjr509 on Jun 1, 2020 7:20:59 GMT -5
Furthermore, one of the biggest and worst differences i found between Ps4 and Pc (i don't know XBox) is that on these kind of shots, while a partial backswing works pretty and consistently well on PS4, on PC it results 90% of times in a partial backswing, BUT freaking fast. The result is that is simply impossible to predict in some way what distance will have your shot. Then i definitely don't care about purism No counting that i struggle to find any purism in short game here, because is not only totally messed up (just look flight of the ball, roll, lie, everything), but is also allowed to play chip shots from bunkers with actually 0 penalties or difficulty.. something that should be considered the antichrist of the realism/purism Yeah, you shouldn't be able to chip out of the bunkers... but, if we're talking realism here, when was the last time you played a real round of golf where you had a 10 to 15 foot bunker shot? There's artificial difficulty in these hole/ green designs to counter balance the ease of the video game. A good TGC designer will also know that if they should decide to put a flag 15' from a bunker that they either have a bigger lip or they slope the green away from that bunker so it's impossible to stop a bunker chip anywhere near the flag. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jun 2, 2020 4:02:17 GMT -5
Furthermore, one of the biggest and worst differences i found between Ps4 and Pc (i don't know XBox) is that on these kind of shots, while a partial backswing works pretty and consistently well on PS4, on PC it results 90% of times in a partial backswing, BUT freaking fast. The result is that is simply impossible to predict in some way what distance will have your shot. Then i definitely don't care about purism No counting that i struggle to find any purism in short game here, because is not only totally messed up (just look flight of the ball, roll, lie, everything), but is also allowed to play chip shots from bunkers with actually 0 penalties or difficulty.. something that should be considered the antichrist of the realism/purism Yeah, you shouldn't be able to chip out of the bunkers... but, if we're talking realism here, when was the last time you played a real round of golf where you had a 10 to 15 foot bunker shot? There's artificial difficulty in these hole/ green designs to counter balance the ease of the video game. A good TGC designer will also know that if they should decide to put a flag 15' from a bunker that they either have a bigger lip or they slope the green away from that bunker so it's impossible to stop a bunker chip anywhere near the flag. Agreed. But i must admit they are not so much the bunkers with this characteristic, because more or less the 80 (if not 90) % of my shots from bunkers are actually chips. You can also give some spin to the ball In the end, to make impossible to use a chip shot from the bunker, the lip must be REALLY high. And, generally speaking, long chip shots are the easiest and most accurate short shots on this game, by far. |
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Post by dime5150 on Jun 29, 2020 21:30:07 GMT -5
I chip out of hard bunkers in real life all the time, why is that a sin?
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