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Post by BillySastard976 on Feb 19, 2020 8:16:28 GMT -5
Having fairly recently bought an Xbox, followed quickly by TGC2019, I'm finding the game very frustrating to play, tempo being the issue.
I can play a round, play pretty well, maybe 6 under after 9 holes, tempo good, then wallop, a very fast or very slow downswing and I'm in the water, usually costing three shots. The round is effectively ruined.
Having read statistics on this forum regarding the huge difference in the ease of conquering tempo consistently on PS4 compared to Xbox, such as 80% P/P on average for numbers of PS4 users, as opposed to I believe 40%+ for Xbox, something has to be done by HB!
I've read that HB will have little interest in doing anything about this disparity because of having no interest in cross platform play, in other words, it's the same for all Xbox users so everyone is on equal terms, so why bother?
Here is why. The game is far less enjoyable on the whole for Xbox users. Good play goes unrewarded time and time again. HB need only look at a great many reviews posted of the game by Xbox users, entirely dissatisfied by the gameplay. These people will not be buying the next game, when it arrives.
I have not played the game on PS4 but it's obvious the game/tempo on that platform is much more forgiving. I do not buy into the belief that tempo on Xbox is random, I believe when I get a very fast/slow downswing it's reflects my own mistake. Conversely, I believe mistakes with tempo are not reflected to anywhere near the same extent on PS4. Tempo loss is magnified on Xbox.
My solution seems pretty simple, though may not be as I'm not a writer of game code. Make the blue downswing segment on Xbox larger, how much larger I don't know, test it vs a PS4. HB should do this not for this community, though it would benefit us, but simply to make the game much more enjoyable for Xbox users, fed up of having tiny mistakes in tempo basically making the game a total pain to play!
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Post by titan30003 on Feb 19, 2020 12:34:06 GMT -5
I haven't played on the XBox, but my understanding is that it was generally believed by XBox users that it's random whether you got a slow or fast, and not simply more sensitive. I've watched streams where a player would think if anything his swing was fast, but he got a slow downswing (and this was a very good player). If it is simply that mistakes are amplified though, then your solution seems reasonable to me, but good luck getting HB to listen, at least for this iteration of the game.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Feb 20, 2020 2:49:48 GMT -5
Yes, it is possible there is also an element of randomness too. Many times I think my tempo felt good and the result isn't, but I believe this is a very slight difference in tempo, imperceptible to the player, something not penalised on PS4, but magnified on Xbox.
It's a great pity as it could be such a great game. I often end up just hacking the ball around without much thought after a couple of these very fast/slow downswings, it just doesn't seem worth trying to work out distances, landing area etc just to see it all wasted.
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Post by xEB50x on Feb 25, 2020 17:20:37 GMT -5
I'd agree with both of your statements. As an xbox player, I do believe the sensitivity is 90% the issue, but also have thrown my hands in the air when going smooth, then all of a sudden 3 VF's and a couple slows in the next 10 swings. I've also been in a slow downswing rut, so I tried to hit a VF, and actually got a VS. So I'd say 10% is either connection or randomness. Just seems sometimes the game does not respond properly. I wish I had an answer, but it is what it is. Let's hope for an even playing field next game.
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Post by BillySastard976 on Feb 25, 2020 18:01:29 GMT -5
I've gone over to the dark side (PC), not the really really pitch black side (PS4) and it is like night and day, the game, and it's blessed tempo, are so much easier. Play on Xbox is too frustrating and unrewarding for me.
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Post by OldSouled on Feb 25, 2020 20:21:36 GMT -5
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Post by zorbacles on Feb 26, 2020 2:00:53 GMT -5
Does wired v wireless controllers make a difference.
Anyone tried PS4 controller on Xbox (it can be done)
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Post by nick80 on Feb 26, 2020 19:00:46 GMT -5
Does wired v wireless controllers make a difference. Anyone tried PS4 controller on Xbox (it can be done) Issues on xb1 don't come from the controller. xb1 pads are very good on PC. I think you can't connect a DS4 controller directly on a xb1 machine. You need to pass by a hardware solution between the 2. Latency is the pb on xb1 so if you add something between your controller and the machine i've serious doubt it could be better.
I always played wired on xb1 i though it was better. But not sure maybe it was placebo because i made good scores wireless too.
I'm pretty sure that Latency on xb1 come from xbox servers. Clearly here in France if i played in the middle of the day when servers were not too busy the tempo was really better. Another thing is when i played on xbox one S there were serious lags on certain courses (on high and very high winds and courses with water and lot of graphic details). Xbox one X is a way better for the lags but don't resolve latency issues. Maybe the game optimization is better on PS4 & PC than xb1.
Finaly there's no clear answer for these tempo issues leading to so much frustrations. But if some guys have better and clear explanations i will be happy to read that
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Post by zorbacles on Feb 26, 2020 19:45:12 GMT -5
I don't understand how server latency can be an issue on a game that can be played offline.
Is there a tempo difference when playing offline compared to online.
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Post by nick80 on Feb 27, 2020 7:00:27 GMT -5
As i said at the end i have no clear explanation. I resume to you assumptions by players in different forum. Another one is to clear the cache of your xbox before playing. Personally i gave up the game on xbox because frustration is more important than satisfaction. If i could know exactly why this game is sh%$ on xbox maybe i would be less frustrated. But yes in my opinion offline is better than online but no evidence
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Post by Demonondalinks on Feb 27, 2020 14:54:21 GMT -5
I really believe the master swing is correct on the xbox1. Its supposed to be harder. HB messed up the steam version and the PS4 version. I finished my PGA tour at PGA National at -13. Can't recall a bogey. Felt to me like I played great gonna miss the cut by a landslide. Not a single Xbox player to make the cut.
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Post by ErixonStone on Feb 29, 2020 0:50:10 GMT -5
I really believe the master swing is correct on the xbox1. Its supposed to be harder. HB messed up the steam version and the PS4 version. There is no reason to think that HB would add code that specifically makes achieving perfect tempo harder on any single platform. It would take extra effort to do that since the Unity3D platform can build an execution file for any OS on a single base of code. Something is different. It is possible that HB would add code to try to make the platforms more similar, or to have noticed a significant gap in performance and decide it wasn't worth their time since they, officially, do not support cross-platform gaming. There's just so many places where a tiny delay or something could throw the controls off, but the issue lies somewhere between the gamepad device and game code, which is akin to a needle in the ocean.
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Post by nobluffme on Feb 29, 2020 5:53:34 GMT -5
I recommended this, but was shot down, but as an Xbox and Masters club player, I'd like to see the movement marks changed slightly to reflect the slight difficult in Masters clubs versus Pro clubs. It may even encourage more to switch to Masters.
Demotions and Promotions: CC-B thru CC-Z - Top 10 Master's Club users, Top 10 Pro Club Users = +1 movement mark
Why not change to Top 6 Masters and Top 4 Pro? Should Pro clubs be given the same movement marks as someone who plays Masters? No, IMO.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Mar 3, 2020 9:13:38 GMT -5
I recommended this, but was shot down, but as an Xbox and Masters club player, I'd like to see the movement marks changed slightly to reflect the slight difficult in Masters clubs versus Pro clubs. It may even encourage more to switch to Masters. Demotions and Promotions: CC-B thru CC-Z - Top 10 Master's Club users, Top 10 Pro Club Users = +1 movement mark Why not change to Top 6 Masters and Top 4 Pro? Should Pro clubs be given the same movement marks as someone who plays Masters? No, IMO. But it was just plain top 10 before - so when they changed to top 10 of each club set - that was the incentive for the master players... Also, I believe that in CC ranks, the top 5 (??) master players get a fast track promotion because mostly the master players are the ones that WANT to move up - whereas there is a mix of pro players - those that play pro just because the platform disparity is minimized with those clubs, and those that really don't want to play masters and would like to just stay in the CC ranks..
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Post by nobluffme on Mar 3, 2020 10:37:43 GMT -5
I recommended this, but was shot down, but as an Xbox and Masters club player, I'd like to see the movement marks changed slightly to reflect the slight difficult in Masters clubs versus Pro clubs. It may even encourage more to switch to Masters. Demotions and Promotions: CC-B thru CC-Z - Top 10 Master's Club users, Top 10 Pro Club Users = +1 movement mark Why not change to Top 6 Masters and Top 4 Pro? Should Pro clubs be given the same movement marks as someone who plays Masters? No, IMO. But it was just plain top 10 before - so when they changed to top 10 of each club set - that was the incentive for the master players... Also, I believe that in CC ranks, the top 5 (??) master players get a fast track promotion because mostly the master players are the ones that WANT to move up - whereas there is a mix of pro players - those that play pro just because the platform disparity is minimized with those clubs, and those that really don't want to play masters and would like to just stay in the CC ranks.. Yeah, I think you're right.
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