neilwilkes
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 130 
TGCT Name: Neil Wilkes
Tour: CC-Pro
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Post by neilwilkes on Nov 26, 2019 8:56:00 GMT -5
I constantly struggle with this.
Some advise 1/3 for up and down, others say 1/4.
What is the rough & ready rule of thumb please?
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Post by GW_Hope on Nov 26, 2019 11:09:08 GMT -5
It varies by club. Try to visualize the physics of the ball fight. That helps.  |
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Post by cephyn on Nov 26, 2019 11:32:40 GMT -5
I use the divide by 3 rule across the board.
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Post by OldSouled on Nov 28, 2019 22:13:00 GMT -5
It varies by club. Try to visualize the physics of the ball fight. That helps. So do you discount yardage on short or long clubs? I’m having a hard time with the visual, teacher. |
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Post by GW_Hope on Nov 28, 2019 23:03:16 GMT -5
1/3 is a good starting point and is accurate for minor elevations. Short irons are affected less compared to middle to long irons as elevation increases. Maybe that is when the 1/4 is in play. I don’t really calculate just play by feel more or less.
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Post by OldSouled on Nov 29, 2019 0:13:18 GMT -5
1/3 is a good starting point and is accurate for minor elevations. Short irons are affected less compared to middle to long irons as elevation increases. Maybe that is when the 1/4 is in play. I don’t really calculate just play by feel more or less. Thank you. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Nov 29, 2019 4:03:23 GMT -5
I can't help cause I don't use the imperial system. I tried, but is silly, cause this thing is very easy with the metric system. The report is almost exactly 1/1.
And also about the wind (2/1, again almost exactly).
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Post by GW_Hope on Nov 29, 2019 11:31:14 GMT -5
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Nov 30, 2019 8:09:07 GMT -5
About the trajectory, maybe I'm totally wrong, but after my definitive switch from pro to master clubs, I'm now pretty sure that the increased distance, the bigger sensitivity to the wind and the better spin obtained with these clubs, are cause the ball flight is higher, with master clubs.
If this is correct, this should be considered too.
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Post by Riotous on Nov 30, 2019 15:21:08 GMT -5
Use divide by 3 Neil and you will hit your number. The bigger variable after that is wind but just as importantly roll out, which is affected by green slope (in your landing zone) AND green firmness
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neilwilkes
Weekend Golfer
Posts: 130
TGCT Name: Neil Wilkes
Tour: CC-Pro
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Post by neilwilkes on Dec 26, 2019 7:23:13 GMT -5
Ta Muchly.
I have been using the 1/3, but it just does not seem to work for me - especially on shorter irons and/or wedges, as I have often seen almost no difference whatsoever on smaller elevation changes (almost anything around 12-15 feet up seems to make very, very little difference, but it seems different on down changes.
Hence why I asked.
As for ball flight, I had not thought about the whole trackman thing - great idea and well worth a look.
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Post by sandsaver01 on Dec 26, 2019 7:53:08 GMT -5
Ta Muchly. I have been using the 1/3, but it just does not seem to work for me - especially on shorter irons and/or wedges, as I have often seen almost no difference whatsoever on smaller elevation changes (almost anything around 12-15 feet up seems to make very, very little difference, but it seems different on down changes. Hence why I asked. As for ball flight, I had not thought about the whole trackman thing - great idea and well worth a look. Niel - I feel your pain! I have a lot of trouble with the whole elevation issue and have resorted to use of the 1/3 rule only out of frustration. Back in my TW08 playing days I went to the trouble of running extensive practice range tests on elevation change effect of various heights and clubs, which helped considerably, but the practice ability in TGC2019 is so clunky that I have not put in the time ( I may get frustrated enough to do it someday though). As one of the posters above has said, throw in green firmness, up or downslope of landing area, and wind, and the whole thing is a nightmare for me. I do not know how these players that shoot -12 all the time do it. |
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Post by unclevirt on Dec 26, 2019 10:43:33 GMT -5
Ta Muchly. I have been using the 1/3, but it just does not seem to work for me - especially on shorter irons and/or wedges, as I have often seen almost no difference whatsoever on smaller elevation changes (almost anything around 12-15 feet up seems to make very, very little difference, but it seems different on down changes. Hence why I asked. As for ball flight, I had not thought about the whole trackman thing - great idea and well worth a look. Niel - I feel your pain! I have a lot of trouble with the whole elevation issue and have resorted to use of the 1/3 rule only out of frustration. Back in my TW08 playing days I went to the trouble of running extensive practice range tests on elevation change effect of various heights and clubs, which helped considerably, but the practice ability in TGC2019 is so clunky that I have not put in the time ( I may get frustrated enough to do it someday though). As one of the posters above has said, throw in green firmness, up or downslope of landing area, and wind, and the whole thing is a nightmare for me. I do not know how these players that shoot -12 all the time do it. It's really just all feel. Once you've played enough to basically be in every scenario you get a good idea of how each shot is going to be effected. With that being said, most of the time in tough conditions, even with a good shot you don't get a super close putt so you also have to make that putt. When I'm on, I'm making everything within 20 feet...unless the greens we are playing on are absolutely insane. Obviously the practice mode is very...underwhelming...but you could try your hand in the tour mode. It at least gives you something to shoot for with varying conditions. I played many seasons on the tour mode before ever actually jumping into the tgctours. I wasn't happy until I could win every tournament set at 4 rounds using master clubs. It took a while but it eventually happened. |
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Post by sandsaver01 on Dec 26, 2019 12:12:09 GMT -5
Obviously the practice mode is very...underwhelming...but you could try your hand in the tour mode. Stephen do you mean the PGA tour mode, or are you setting up your own Solo Society tour? |
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Post by unclevirt on Dec 26, 2019 13:08:02 GMT -5
Obviously the practice mode is very...underwhelming...but you could try your hand in the tour mode. Stephen do you mean the PGA tour mode, or are you setting up your own Solo Society tour? PGA tour mode Mike (: |
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