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Post by ezzinomilonga on Oct 17, 2019 15:18:21 GMT -5
Hi! I know this part of the forum is out of my competence..and above all I don't know if this idea has never been proposed before..i think is very probable,but well..at worst I'll steal some minute of your life. 👀 (Yes..it wouldn't be the first time  ) Anyway. Some minute ago I played the Lidar Peachtree GC. I also learned something about his history..and is quite interesting. In short, is designed by Robert Trent Jones Sr and Bobby Jones in 1947 (or 48, don't remember) and is really similar (in the concept) at ******* National. The course sadly is not so well realized on game..and is a shame, cause it could be a really good and tough course...but, in any case, this fact gave me the idea I'll try to share now : If for some reason we couldn't (or wouldn't, why not, after what happened it would be fair to refuse to play it) use some version of ******* for the ****** in April, why don't create a course that will be "our" Master venue? But, to have a different kind of contest and challenge, my idea was to create a contest for courses realized using only real holes from Real courses from..everywhere!! The only limitation should be that every hole should be not only an exact recreation, but it should be also properly inserted in a "realistic" routing. I don't know if Lidar could be used in this kind of project..and I don't know a lot of things, you know it. And above all I ignore if someone has already ever proposed it. The winner should be not only the best looking and toughest course, but also the course with the "philosophical concept" behind the selection of every hole more interesting and well fitting. And..well..that's it. 👀 Already proposed and refused? 👀 |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2019 19:45:15 GMT -5
I wouldn’t personally have the design skills to compete in this type of contest, but I think the idea is worth developing for the designers that are really good at this sort of thing. I’m sure it would turn out some incredible courses.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Oct 18, 2019 6:35:24 GMT -5
VctryLnSprts Thank you  but probably you are right. I mean..even assuming the idea could be good and/or funny, probably it would be uneasy to find enough designers interested to have a contest. Anyway..just for my curiosity, someone knows if Lidar could be used in this way? I mean, to recreate in a single plot 18 holes from 18 different courses?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 4:38:36 GMT -5
I for one are not thrilled with this idea Ezzino, but a RCR contest could be a good idea to help improve the quality of the RCRs.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Oct 19, 2019 6:40:10 GMT -5
I for one are not thrilled with this idea Ezzino, but a RCR contest could be a good idea to help improve the quality of the RCRs. I don't know if a RCR's contest has been ever made, here. I'm here by too few months. I suppose there is some reason, if it never happened..or if it don't happens anymore. Also, I don't know If Lidar and not Lidar courses could be judged together. Probably not..i don't know. In any case, is needed someone who knows better how things works about contests, to answer you properly. But I have also to admit that probably my idea could be fun maybe for a course..at least a pair..but to have dozens of courses like this could be annoying, after a while. Actually, i proposed it mainly cause I'm still pissed for what happened with Augusta..I'm really convinced that we should just to ignore it and the Masters..and to use just another course for an our "TGCT Masters" or something like this..with a green tanga for the winner. But it would be hard to find a real course as a substitute good and worthy enough for everybody..and it would be a bit sad to use a totally fictional course, cause we already do it for the US Open. So I had this idea of a "super" real course, just to offer some different challenge..but I see it couldn't work well enough for a contest. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 7:03:17 GMT -5
I for one are not thrilled with this idea Ezzino, but a RCR contest could be a good idea to help improve the quality of the RCRs. I don't know if a RCR's contest has been ever made, here. I'm here by too few months. I suppose there is some reason, if it never happened..or if it don't happens anymore. Also, I don't know If Lidar and not Lidar courses could be judged together. Probably not..i don't know. In any case, is needed someone who knows better how things works about contests, to answer you properly. But I have also to admit that probably my idea could be fun maybe for a course..at least a pair..but to have dozens of courses like this could be annoying, after a while. Actually, i proposed it mainly cause I'm still pissed for what happened with Augusta..I'm really convinced that we should just to ignore it and the Masters..and to use just another course for an our "TGCT Masters" or something like this..with a green tanga for the winner. But it would be hard to find a real course as a substitute good and worthy enough for everybody..and it would be a bit sad to use a totally fictional course, cause we already do it for the US Open. So I had this idea of a "super" real course, just to offer some different challenge..but I see it couldn't work well enough for a contest. All of the recreations of Augusta is in the game. Nothing has been removed - just censor of the name. You can use these courses in societies. In case of a RCR contest - I can't see any reason to split up for use of lidar data or not. There are alot more than accurate elevations to a good recreation - which is seen on all the sloppy RCR's that has been rushed through Chad's tool. And many good recreations have been done without lidar data with impressive accuracy. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Oct 19, 2019 7:51:36 GMT -5
I know it. There are RCRs that seems almost impossible they are not lidar. I was just assuming that to do a rcr without lidar could be more difficult, but being not a designer this could be easily an erroneous thought. About Augusta..i suppose that the clv's version has just another name (but I still have not played it, so I'm not sure about it), but the par 3 course seems to be no more in game and i can't find anymore the royce's version. In his profile there is only Oakland Hills South. I sadly never had the chance to save these courses in my favorites (I played every version of Augusta just one time for my list, cause my wish was to start to play it only if I would be good enough to reach PGA Tour. Is one of those courses i want "deserve" to play, in some way..and in short I forgot to save them in my favorites..as a stupid). I don't know if Royce did it again using another profile..and I don't know the name of the courses. Anyway..about the chance to play Augusta on TGCT, now is just a matter of principle, for me. Even assuming the course is still available, it changes nothing. Their lack of respect for the work of designers..with not a word, before or later..is just unforgivable. If, after all this, we should play Augusta with a different name, it would means simply that they can do what they want with us..cause after all we are just customers. We should show some pride as community. I know it change nothing, in the great scheme of things, but it would be the right thing to do, for me. So in short my idea is now that if ANGC and/or HB don't wants we play their precious course..they should simply taste the flavor of our salty balls. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2019 9:41:16 GMT -5
As far as I know, CLV's version is just censored, so it is not searchable - so you need to search for one of his other courses, look through all his courses and it is there. I've no idea what happened to Royce's version.
Good lidar data gives you accurate elevations and you don't have to do the elevations yourself (only adjust artifacts) - so it saves both time, and the course will be more accurate as long as all the other areas are accurate as well. Unfortunately, there are not good lidar data for all courses - and some designers don't have PC.
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but probably you are right. I mean..even assuming the idea could be good and/or funny, probably it would be uneasy to find enough designers interested to have a contest.