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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 4, 2019 10:30:41 GMT -5
Hi,
I’m currently mid table on the Euro tour without threatening top 10 and not missing many cuts either. Keen to get better though.
How have players stepped up from this level to shooting -13 every round on PGA?
Did they learn the metrics of wind / elevation in a superior way? Did they push the limits of fair play with controller mods / flicking etc? Did they spend more time doing specific practice?
I’ve been playing the game for 2 years now so can play ok but just want to compete more!
Any help greatly received!
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Oct 4, 2019 10:58:16 GMT -5
I think a bit of both the two points (don't taking in count the unethical possibility to mess up about swing).
For sure someone can gives you better advices, being more experienced and better player than me, but what I'm working on right now, is about to find the better and consistent way to have a slight slow and/or fast swing on backswing when it can be useful to gain or lose some needed meter without losing precision (something that messing with downswing is way more difficult to obtain).
Then, something really important for me, to score better on tour, is to practice the courses in the conditions more near is possible to those I'll encounter in my rounds, at least one time on every pin, also changing clubs accordingly everytime (mainly depending if there are par 5s reachable in two shots and/or long par 3s). About clubs, I also decided recently to renounce to use hybrids, cause sadly the advantages normally gained using these clubs are way less than the flaws, in this game. For me, all this work produces something about 2/3 strokes better per round, if I play well enough. And 8/12 strokes of difference per tournament are..a lot.
For this reason, I also try to avoid to play two rounds consecutively..or even in the same day, unless I see that my swing works particularly good and I'm mentally not tired.
Obviously, anyone has his own habits about this.
And, in the end, if your game has weak spots (as the short chip shots and the long flops for me, for example), to work on it is always a great thing to do.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 4, 2019 11:03:33 GMT -5
Thanks for your input man, sounds like you’re doing same as me; I’m experimenting with the fast swing to club up a little, find that easier than an intentional slow swing!
I feel my chipping and putting is strong as I hole out a lot and box lots of long putts.
I don’t flick and whilst my tempo is good, I find my line can be marginally wiggly at times, doesn’t cause it to miss greens but maybe puts me 5 meters further away from the flag.
I guess those who can swing v straight can really dial in their numbers.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Oct 4, 2019 12:00:47 GMT -5
Well..i refuse to think that ALL the better players are here even (if not mainly) cause their swing is not the one is supposed to be. It would be a too sad thing to believe in...and would be also actually useless, to work so hard to improve. No counting that it would be also a loser's attitude, after all. So i prefer don't think too much about it and just to work on me. Yeah..slow backswing is tough to deal with, cause the window available is really tiny. Anyway..if you're already on Euro Tour in the middle of the group, you are definitely strong enough to need really to work just on nuances. Cause after all this game is all, about nuances, when you reach a certain level. I don't know how much you practice the courses used on tour with the conditions used on the various rounds..i know a lot of guys just prefer to come out and play, at least just try the course one time before to start..and/or possibly to play all the 4 rounds consecutively, but I'm sure it could not ever work for me. Never. Although sometimes is a bit stressful, I must admit that this thing about practice one time every pin with the proper conditions, it really makes some great difference, in my game. And not so much about the chance to score many more birdies, but mainly to learn/understand simply what they are the worst spots on a hole that it would be hard to check properly only using my eyes, being finally aware of what they are those things i absolutely need to avoid to do, in order to reduce, the most I can, to miss fairways and greens..or to avoid the worst side of a pin. I think I save every round a lot of troubles and bogeys (or worst), doing this thing. I also report on a paper sheet all these things I note..and if I have the patience to follow my indications when I finally play my rounds, sometimes all this work results really, really useful to solve delicate situations. Then is obvious (and is the best part of golf for me, what makes this game so beautiful) that what you know or you think to know is absolutely useless, if you are not able to execute what you know you should execute every time, on every shot of every hole. To score well..really well..you must be perfect. And lucky enough. Is a magic game And..to conclude, another very important if not essential thing, for me, is my mental condition. If I'm nervous, tired or too concerned about..something, is hard that my score will be good. Cause I lose my patience at some point..and then is over. And, if possible, I stay away from the tour, if not for the whole game, when it happens. I can easily say that my best rounds happens always when I'm on that tiny border sited between the right level of focus and a certain dose of serenity.
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Post by ohheycat on Oct 4, 2019 13:51:51 GMT -5
Id say you need to have your carry numbers within 2 yards for every single wind possible. My approach is pretty mathematical and im sure the guys at the tip top are as well. To get to that next level you have to be able to say with <b> this</b> wind, the ball will land <b>here</b>and will roll out to <here> with confidence. all we want is to be inside 10 feet where on the pga is a 100 percent make range so most times 3 yards is the margin for error.
The flicking thing just is what it is. Its certainly not going anywhere at least until a new game comes out so id say just play your game and try not to think about it. Just a part of the good ol' black hole that is the pga.
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Post by ddixjr509 on Oct 4, 2019 14:23:58 GMT -5
Id say you need to have your carry numbers within 2 yards for every single wind possible. My approach is pretty mathematical and im sure the guys at the tip top are as well. To get to that next level you have to be able to say with <b> this</b> wind, the ball will land <b>here</b>and will roll out to <here> with confidence. all we want is to be inside 10 feet where on the pga is a 100 percent make range so most times 3 yards is the margin for error. The flicking thing just is what it is. Its certainly not going anywhere at least until a new game comes out so id say just play your game and try not to think about it. Just a part of the good ol' black hole that is the pga. I'm fairly confident that if I could make 100% of putts inside 10' (and 75% from 10-15') that i could make that small jump up the tours... but alas I'm about 75% at <10' and 50% from 10- 15' which is a difference of about 10-20 strokes per tournament.
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Post by ohheycat on Oct 4, 2019 14:33:45 GMT -5
Id say you need to have your carry numbers within 2 yards for every single wind possible. My approach is pretty mathematical and im sure the guys at the tip top are as well. To get to that next level you have to be able to say with <b> this</b> wind, the ball will land <b>here</b>and will roll out to <here> with confidence. all we want is to be inside 10 feet where on the pga is a 100 percent make range so most times 3 yards is the margin for error. The flicking thing just is what it is. Its certainly not going anywhere at least until a new game comes out so id say just play your game and try not to think about it. Just a part of the good ol' black hole that is the pga. I'm fairly confident that if I could make 100% of putts inside 10' (and 75% from 10-15') that i could make that small jump up the tours... but alas I'm about 75% at <10' and 50% from 10- 15' which is a difference of about 10-20 strokes per tournament. silly me typing html like an old person. Thanks for setting me straight!
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Post by ErixonStone on Oct 4, 2019 16:00:08 GMT -5
Square brackets in BBCode. :-]
EDIT: Also not sure when the <here> tag was invented, lol.
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Post by paddyjk19 on Oct 5, 2019 4:45:57 GMT -5
Thanks for the advice guys!
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Post by Generic_Casual on Oct 5, 2019 4:49:58 GMT -5
I'll add to this...
If you're a "normie" like us, then you HAVE to have a one-way miss on ALL shots that you hit.
I pull EVERYTHING. Even putts generally. This helps me by knowing how much further to adjust for my shot.
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Post by twoplanetsaway on Oct 15, 2019 11:02:07 GMT -5
I'll add to this... If you're a "normie" like us, then you HAVE to have a one-way miss on ALL shots that you hit. I pull EVERYTHING. Even putts generally. This helps me by knowing how much further to adjust for my shot. Man.... you have no idea how much I miss my one-way miss from TGC2. I was the opposite. Only had a slight fade if I didn’t hit straight. Course management was a breeze. Now I don’t really have a tendency AND the actual swing path hardly matters anyway lol. It’s really pretty silly when you think about it. The only action we do to hit a shot can be a shank, but if it’s a perfect perfect shank with the proper aim to compensate, you get the desired result.
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