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Post by foolinjection on Mar 12, 2015 8:09:36 GMT -5
so you want firm and fast greens have to hit a 3I to the green and watch it just roll and roll and roll of the green. count me out. Pitch it short and run it up or slope the green back to front. Not every Green has to be an island in a sea of bunkers to be difficult.
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Post by fuzion on Mar 12, 2015 8:13:08 GMT -5
I have to say the greens at Lunenberg (Euro tour this week) were great, a good mix of challenging and fair. Course designers should aim for greens that can provide a challenge, but are not overly tricked up. (Could have had a couple more tricky ones and it would still be fine)
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Post by MrSourNinja on Mar 12, 2015 8:28:54 GMT -5
I have a question: Are you guys looking to select courses that replicate the real event host courses or are you choosing based on keeping the rotation fresh and inconsistent? Maybe the PGA and Euro could get regular stops and the Web and other Tours could get all the other courses to test them out? Obviously more courses would need to be recreated but this is something that I feel should be looked at for the future. Thanks guys.
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Post by Dennis on Mar 12, 2015 17:34:34 GMT -5
so you want firm and fast greens have to hit a 3I to the green and watch it just roll and roll and roll of the green. count me out. Then in cases like that, the pin needs to be at or near the back. Not five paces on. And these are the kind of things i'm sure the course selectors will be looking at. But to the point of the original post, and posted in another thread, how about they select, like say 5 courses and then have the tour players vote on the one that will be played. Put up a week in advance so people can play them and then vote. There has to be a ton of pressure on the people running this league. I mean, this is almost a full time job. And what a great job they do. That I think would relieve a bunch of pressure and put the final say so in the hands of the players. Then, we should have nothing to complain about and the admins jobs would not be so hard. From what I have been reading, we are having some very good discussions ( and civil ) lol. Very good all.
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Post by clayg3 on Mar 12, 2015 18:02:19 GMT -5
so you want firm and fast greens have to hit a 3I to the green and watch it just roll and roll and roll of the green. count me out. whaaaaaaaaaaa you play the settings you like , ill play the settings I like get over it
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Post by foolinjection on Mar 13, 2015 2:41:11 GMT -5
you play the settings you like , ill play the settings I like get over it
Struck a nerve, much? Problem is, being this is a tour, you can't play the settings you like as you don't control that. You have to adapt to the conditions and play the course accordingly. No offence but if you are playing a hard and fast course and trying to throw lawn darts at the pin... You're doing it wrong.
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Post by Orion on Mar 13, 2015 2:54:08 GMT -5
Appreciate the useful info received, will use them as suggested.
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Post by bruce on Mar 17, 2015 6:07:43 GMT -5
In general I really like all the picks and the web tour is terrific. But I'm a little baffled by Shawnee Creek. Its a great course, that is until you get to the greens. Practically all of them seemed to be crowned, with balls rolling off the edge all the time. Now I've read many of the reviews here for the courses and It would seem to me not a good thing for this to happen. On top of that the greens are very small to say the least. First time I played it there were 12 mph winds, I think I was lucky just to hit the greens , never mind stay stay on them. I'll say one thing the greens are a real challenge. They say people have to complain, so theres my little contribution for the day !
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Post by obliteraider on Mar 17, 2015 7:24:58 GMT -5
Yes,Shawnee Creek should have been selected for PGA Tour,that would eliminate those scores in the mid 50's,going to be a real tricky experience if it is windy as well.I see that course selection for the PGA Tour will become a little more difficult moving forward though.
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Post by fondername0 on Mar 24, 2015 2:43:16 GMT -5
so you want firm and fast greens have to hit a 3I to the green and watch it just roll and roll and roll of the green. count me out. I guess we could soften them up and see if someone can shoot -80 under
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 7:32:09 GMT -5
so you want firm and fast greens have to hit a 3I to the green and watch it just roll and roll and roll of the green. count me out. Pitch it short and run it up or slope the green back to front. Not every Green has to be an island in a sea of bunkers to be difficult. I see this a lot in this debate pitch it short and run it up Nobody plays golf like that anywhere in the world. They used to a long time ago before modern equipment and more so modern turf grass conditions. The #1 player in the world couldn't play like that if his life depended on it in fact the proof is he can't win at Augusta because he can't manage golf courses that aren't letting him throw darts all day. He grew up where "links golf" which is nothing more than a catchphrase now since the British is played just like every pga tour event... fly the ball to the hole and stop it on a dime. The only time anyone there is thinking knockdown etc is if the wind kicks up to ridiculous amounts. If a 7 iron is hit from a tight lie by a good golfer it stops right away... period. It doesn't on firm and fast in this game because their ridiculous settings that don't work due to poor ball spin physics. Everyone loves this weeks event because it's going to have lower scores... I personally will finish better than I ever have and why is that? Because I got lucky a lot. firm/fast rewards lucky pinball bounces. I've played many of the top Open venue courses and Augusta, Pinehurst, Bethpage and a slew of other top tier tournament courses. None of them play like firm/fast does in this game. All this week did was bring luck more into the deciding factor on who does well. I still think normal Bison Run was going to be an awesome tour stop... it's a top 3 course in the game imo. Obviously the trend here is going to repeat these conditions moving forward... it will do great to help scoring in computer golf but it's nothing like the real sport it's trying to simulate. Count how many great iron shots roll more than 10 feet at Augusta in a few weeks... fastest greens they play all year and you won't see many unless it's due to slopes like #16 etc.
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Post by foolinjection on Mar 25, 2015 8:21:15 GMT -5
Pitch it short and run it up or slope the green back to front. Not every Green has to be an island in a sea of bunkers to be difficult. I see this a lot in this debate pitch it short and run it up Nobody plays golf like that anywhere in the world. They used to a long time ago before modern equipment and more so modern turf grass conditions. You make some really valid points there but I don't think it's fair to say NOBODY in the world plays golf like that because I probably still do. In the Professional ranks this is probably true but to us lay-folks I think it still has it's place. I mean, granted I haven't set foot on a real golf course since I was 17-18 (around 2001/2002-ish) and all the courses I've played have been municipal courses or local private courses; never had the pleasure of playing anything Pro Tournament grade. But I've never able to pitch a ball right at a flag-stick and make it stick so I would always try to squirt the ball up to the hole and would play bump and run shots using a 7-iron like a putter from around the greens. Use slopes where possible. In fact, true story, the only club in my bag I could hit high and with any reasonable length and accuracy was my 4-iron. I got it as a birthday present from my Father who got it cut to size for me. Could hit that thing further than I hit a 3-wood. But yeah you make some good points there; The British Open isn't a true Links golf test anymore really; maybe I'm just old fashioned and out of date lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2015 9:05:36 GMT -5
Yeah I guess I should quantify with "higher level golf" Trust me I can fringe putt 20 yards and roll it the whole way with the best of em I putted out of a bunker once last year!
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Post by foolinjection on Mar 25, 2015 9:58:54 GMT -5
I putted out of a bunker once last year! Haha, Is that the true definition of a "Texas Wedge"?
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Post by mcbogga on Mar 26, 2015 20:27:02 GMT -5
Pitch it short and run it up or slope the green back to front. Not every Green has to be an island in a sea of bunkers to be difficult. I see this a lot in this debate pitch it short and run it up Nobody plays golf like that anywhere in the world. They used to a long time ago before modern equipment and more so modern turf grass conditions. The #1 player in the world couldn't play like that if his life depended on it in fact the proof is he can't win at Augusta because he can't manage golf courses that aren't letting him throw darts all day. He grew up where "links golf" which is nothing more than a catchphrase now since the British is played just like every pga tour event... fly the ball to the hole and stop it on a dime. The only time anyone there is thinking knockdown etc is if the wind kicks up to ridiculous amounts. If a 7 iron is hit from a tight lie by a good golfer it stops right away... period. It doesn't on firm and fast in this game because their ridiculous settings that don't work due to poor ball spin physics. Everyone loves this weeks event because it's going to have lower scores... I personally will finish better than I ever have and why is that? Because I got lucky a lot. firm/fast rewards lucky pinball bounces. I've played many of the top Open venue courses and Augusta, Pinehurst, Bethpage and a slew of other top tier tournament courses. None of them play like firm/fast does in this game. All this week did was bring luck more into the deciding factor on who does well. I still think normal Bison Run was going to be an awesome tour stop... it's a top 3 course in the game imo. Obviously the trend here is going to repeat these conditions moving forward... it will do great to help scoring in computer golf but it's nothing like the real sport it's trying to simulate. Count how many great iron shots roll more than 10 feet at Augusta in a few weeks... fastest greens they play all year and you won't see many unless it's due to slopes like #16 etc. You are not wrong ADX. There still may be a couple of stops per year where conditions are close to "firm/fast" on here. For the game however, assuming we want to battle the low 50 rounds and score compression and boredom that follows, something needs to be done. I think that the most unbalanced part of this game is putting. If you look at approach shots from ghosts it's not like even the best players are sticking every pin. The issue is that a 10 feet putt is practically a gimme unless the pin placement is tricked up. This is the main factor that is causing the lower scores. Average putts per green stat is ridiculous for all of us. There is a very simple solution that brings putting down to "tour" level - remove the green grid. I know that there is a massive resistance against this, but it is perfectly playable after a short adjustment period. With the mind-set that an 8 footer should be automatic it is terrible of course, but compared to real world sink rates of around 50% it plays really well. Add on no wind speed and scout cam and also approach shot dispersion widens a little bit and will be real close to the real world. That way the "easier" courses can feature on tour - even be the mainstay - and these fast firm monsters peak their heads occasionally to humble us a bit. Just my take - but the play over at Matt10s RGT is really enjoyable and I think that tour is proof of concept that there is nothing broken with no aids play. I know Doyley had a full sim tour ages ago that did not take of, but maybe know the community is starting to mature. I know there is a rather large "I want to shoot -25 over 18 holes" crowd here, but I have no understanding for that way of thinking. A golf game should feel like golf.
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