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Post by bentfivewood on Feb 26, 2015 10:06:25 GMT -5
Aaaaaand go.
Keep it respectful.
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Post by jwfickett on Feb 26, 2015 10:08:02 GMT -5
It's more complex than it seems.
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Post by Oblong on Feb 26, 2015 10:45:50 GMT -5
No issues. Great job fellas! Some I may enjoy than others and we all have opinions. Variety is the spice of life and in the end I'm playing golf for fun where each unique design offers it's own unique challenges. What I would hate is if all the courses played the same without bringing forward new skill sets.
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Post by theclv24 on Feb 26, 2015 11:15:06 GMT -5
What kind of discussion are you looking for? Thoughts on courses selected so far? Suggestions for courses going forward? Anything goes?
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Post by bentfivewood on Feb 26, 2015 13:26:04 GMT -5
What kind of discussion are you looking for? Thoughts on courses selected so far? Suggestions for courses going forward? Anything goes? This was started as a means of continuing a debate from another thread over how tournament courses are selected by TGCTours
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Post by Knock25Out on Feb 26, 2015 14:42:18 GMT -5
I let the powers that be make the decisions. You hear so many golfers in real life say the course doesn't fit their eye. There are weeks where that happens and I just try to grind for a cut. On the Euro tour I've yet to play a course that I absolutely hated but some courses were plain better than others. If I had one suggestion is to double and triple check frame rates. Other than that we will only play 3 or 4 designers courses. It's good to give other people an opportunity to showcase their course.
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Post by IlludiumQ36 on Feb 26, 2015 15:19:32 GMT -5
I shall take this opportunity to express my opinion on the course selections, those who perform said selections, and the overall process:
Que Sera, Sera
I will now translate for those of you who speak caveman - Job Fickett pick course. Illudium play course. Sun come up tomorrow.
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Post by snomelnairb on Feb 26, 2015 15:55:08 GMT -5
I think you guys do a good job picking courses. It, like many other jobs regarding this site, is pretty difficult I would think. Four tours every week with courses constantly being submitted along with the ones from months ago is a lot. I'm personally not a fan of the Doral course but I think it's solid enough for what the designer has to work with right now. I'm just excited that I get the opportunity to play in the tournament and when you step back and look at how good we have it as a community right now, it's an exciting time. The Masters right around the corner, new WGR, flighted tours for the Web and Champions. A lot of great work has been done, so my only real input is carry on, I'm having a blast.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 16:08:00 GMT -5
Hmmm...pretty new here. You could always just select one of my courses if your having trouble deciding. I certainly do not envy the selector or selectors. Which brings up the point. Exactly what is the process for selecting courses for tour tournaments. Is there a stopgap measure (barring some of the fixed venues like Augusta) that puts used courses on a suspension for a certain amount of time before being used again and maybe something similar for each designer. There are some great top designers out there that is for sure and certainly not trying to take anything way. Just trying to suggest some diversity if possible. Now that we are getting into multiple pin placements it will be nice to see the community arguing over some somewhat controversial pin placements like the pro's sometimes do IRL. In fact I'm sure there are some venues that get the actual pro golfers into a snit.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 16:40:48 GMT -5
People will always complain no matter what you do. It really doesn't matter. It's fine as it is.
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Post by bentfivewood on Feb 26, 2015 19:59:31 GMT -5
Please don't mistake that we completely welcome constructive criticism and have made countless changes on the basis of at least semi-respectful commentary on the forums.
However there is only one main ingredient in this recipe, and it's honey. Not piss and not vinegar.
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Post by edi_vedder on Feb 26, 2015 23:45:21 GMT -5
People will always complain no matter what you do. It really doesn't matter. It's fine as it is. This! Nothing more to say...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2015 0:02:56 GMT -5
seems i posted in wrong thread, so a copy and paste:
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Post by doublebogey on Mar 2, 2015 18:18:41 GMT -5
My only wish is to have more difficult courses. Although I don't know if that is a selection problem or there just aren't many difficult courses to choose from.
I find it far more enjoyable to have birdies move you up the leaderboard as opposed to having to birdie 75% of the holes just to keep pace.
Please take this as constructive, as that's how it's meant. I really appreciate all the hard work that's done to make this a thriving tour. I just see this a point of emphasis that can make it better.
I'm fully capable of shooting in the 50s, so it's not that I feel I can't compete. I just think it makes a healthier tour to have rounds in the 50s be few and far between.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 23:04:32 GMT -5
^^^^^^^+1^^^^^^^^^^^^
Not sure when feedback becomes whining, bashing, insulting, not welcome. I used to run an organization with 14000 members. If I can provide any advice to anyone, it's don't take it personally and never make it personal. That's a mistake I see happen here big time. We need remember that we are communicating without tone and body language cues as well, mistakes and misinterpretations happen. If no one provided feedback, or always provided positive feedback, the path would never change. All feedback should be welcomed. Lots of people will give positive feedback just because as well even if they don't feel it is deserved or true.
Here on the other hand, 99% positive is deserved and due.
On to the topic "I find it far more enjoyable to have birdies move you up the leaderboard as opposed to having to birdie 75% of the holes just to keep pace." That statement right there is everything that is needed to know for the selection of courses for the top 2 tours.
Medium medium has little to no place on the top 2 tours unless the course is already hard.
Most of the current selections to date would of been perfect had the conditions been bumped up. In the hope this comes across as positive feedback and not bashing the incredibly hard job it was for the selection of courses, I would like to point out my suggestions on the courses picked to date and what I think might help the future selections.
I'm not sure who picked them, but I will say, HTF were they to know the putting would change and make the game so much easier, so I understand they likely did not realise the courses were going to be obliterated. Also to mix it up, why not throw in a course or 2 that will be obliterated.
Ascension Bay (definitive EDN) - Great pick North Atlantic Links at Pominville - Great pick Tomahawk Golf Club - I would of asked the designer to bump that up, that was obvious it was going to be obliterated, but great pick nice course. Coyote Canyon - Tour - I would of asked the designer to bump that up, that was obvious it was going to be obliterated, but great pick nice course. Bailiwick Grand Golf Club - I would of asked the designer to bump that up, that was obvious it was going to be obliterated, but great pick nice course. Yeti National CC at Sasquatch Pointe - I would of asked the designer to bump that up, that was obvious it was going to be obliterated, but great pick nice course. TGC @ The Bavaro - I would of asked the designer to bump that up, that was obvious it was going to be obliterated, but great pick nice course. Dewdrop Golf Club - Great pick Trump National Doral - have to agree with tastegw here, I think there are better selections from the already populated list. Eagleton Bend Resort I would of asked the designer to bump that up, that was obvious it was going to be obliterated, but great pick nice course. Jebel Ali Emirates - Great pick Powderfinger G.C. - Great pick TPC Scarpacci West - I would of asked the designer to bump that up, that was obvious it was going to be obliterated, but great pick nice course. Kobeoshi Royal - Great pick Hidden Links Golf Club - Great pick Red Diamond G&C - I would of asked the designer to bump that up, that was obvious it was going to be obliterated, but great pick nice course. Lion's Gate Country Club - Jo'burg, RSA - I would of asked the designer to bump that up, that was obvious it was going to be obliterated, but great pick nice course. Zithobeni Golf Club -I would of asked the designer to bump that up, it's obvious it's going to be obliterated, but great pick nice course.
Personally I think any designer would make any change you wanted or asked them to do, I would take advantage of that.
As you can see with the exception of 1 course, I'm saying great fckn job on picking the courses.
Now maybe I have an advantage, as I can step on any course, play it and see immediately whether or not it will be obliterated, sometimes I can do so just by looking at it's history, I also play a lot of courses here, not more then some, but more than most.
If you seen any of this as negative, feel free to delete and accept my apology.
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