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Post by nobluffme on Sept 26, 2019 13:40:55 GMT -5
I say yes.
I joined TGCTOURS Feb 2019 and was assigned CC-E. I enjoyed playing until one week I had a freakishly great week that I got bumped to CC-D.
My play was awful in D, never in the top 50%.
I’ve got 600 hours invested in this game, and know I’ll never be CC-D or higher.
To start the new season, I got 5 demotion marks in just two weeks and back in E....and happy.
From my perspective and ability. I’d rather be competing week after week in top 50% that languishing in bottom 10%.
If I were given the choice, I don’t want to be promoted. One fluke week shouldn’t have seen be bumped to D, only to be demoted weeks later.
I may not be alone, I don’t know. I don’t play this game to get promoted, but to play against others of my same ability.
Just a thought
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Sept 26, 2019 15:05:12 GMT -5
Understand, but personally, no. This for me would be just another slap in the face to a fair competition. A tour can't accept or, even worst, directly to support the policy of "big fishes in small pond". A tour needs to push anyone to improve. Always. And..even to struggle, is part of the fair competition. We had the same issue on cc-a last season. We have a lot of strong (sometimes very strong) pro club players, that struggles severely using master clubs. So they just don't want to be promoted on the web..korn freaks or how the hell is named  , but their presence on cc-a was constantly blocking all those guys who actually wanted to be promoted. All the change we had in the promo mark policy last season has been mainly to solve this issue. For this reason, nothing personal, I hope you can trust me, but in my opinion the only right thing to do, if you are promoted in cc-d, is to try to do your best and, at worst, if you can't enjoy that level, just wait for the demotion. Every other solution would be simply not ethic. Edit : Or..if you want to enjoy the competition with not this fear, you could ask to the admins to be manually demoted to cc-g. I think they could agree. Especially now that we're so near to the first promo event. Cause you're right, when you say that is sad to be forced to play a flight too hard for you. Doing this, you could have the chance to play for weeks, if not for few months, fighting for promotions and victories, with no the fear to be forced playing cc-d in a few weeks if you play really well. |
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Post by nobluffme on Sept 27, 2019 7:50:43 GMT -5
Sort of missed my point.
Before I joined TGCTOURS, never knew scores of -40 or -50 even existed. I also did know people use rubber bands, flick or modify controllers.
I also didn’t know that people on other gaming platforms have a bit of an advantage over Xbox.
Finally, I’m using Masters clubs.
So I know I’m up against great players, cheaters, other platforms and Pro clubs to try and get promoted. It ain’t gonna happen, and I’m cool with that.
What I’m saying is don’t promote someone who has one fluke week. Maybe wait a week and see if it was an anomaly.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Sept 27, 2019 8:25:24 GMT -5
Ah..you're talking about fast tracking?
If is this what you mean, sorry, cause I totally misunderstood..and..for the little it can matters, i personally agree with you.
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Post by rob4590 on Sept 27, 2019 8:36:01 GMT -5
IIRC, ErixonStone did a study on the average scores in the CC tours back in TGC2, and showed that, despite the belief that there was a big gap between each tour, statistically it was actually only something like 2 shots over 4 rounds. So the difference in standard is actually not that much really - although it may seem like more between CC-D and CC-E because the difficulty of the Pro courses is also that much higher than the Am ones. If you have been promoted (whether through accumulation of promo marks or by fast tracking), then you are quite capable of being competitive in the tier above |
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Post by JosiaDB on Sept 28, 2019 19:43:06 GMT -5
Sort of missed my point. Before I joined TGCTOURS, never knew scores of -40 or -50 even existed. I also did know people use rubber bands, flick or modify controllers. I also didn’t know that people on other gaming platforms have a bit of an advantage over Xbox. Finally, I’m using Masters clubs. So I know I’m up against great players, cheaters, other platforms and Pro clubs to try and get promoted. It ain’t gonna happen, and I’m cool with that. What I’m saying is don’t promote someone who has one fluke week. Maybe wait a week and see if it was an anomaly.
LOL, good luck, nobluffme I've been saying this same thing over and over for months, and they won't listen or acknowledge it. And its pretty obvious by robs reply that they still don't get what we are saying.
I put in bold in your quote the part I'm refering to.
To reiterate (for the umpteenth time) my experience -
I spent a year in CC-Z. was actually quite happy there. I never won, never made a top ten, think I only made top 25 once or twice. All of the sudden I had a great week, just like you are saying happened to you. I got fastracked to G. Now I personally knew that I didn't belong in G. yet. maybe someday, but I know I wasn't there yet. Sure enough, I got double demotions each time I played, and ended right back in Z after a couple weeks. Well it wasn't a week or two, before I had another great week. Again, a fluke, because I knew how I had been playing, even in CC-G. After just a few weeks, AGAIN, I couldn't even pull over two weeks without getting a demotion mark, and most of the time got two. Back to Z. Pretty happily playing along, and it happened AGAIN. I got tired of it and just quit playing, the main societies, it was so ridiculous and no one would acknowledge that there was a problem. Now if Robs answer actually was true, then I'd have at least scored good enough in G, to stay there for more than 4-5 weeks at a time. I would have at least scored good enough to have a couple weeks here and there with no marks.
But nope.
Since I play without loft boxes or flicking, and I prefer master clubs even though I'm not as good at them, I pretty much belong in Z, where I can feel good about hitting a top 20 every once in a while and hopefully continue to get better. But the fastracking formula does not take into consideration anomalies, and average over time, and just promotes people when they have a one great week.
And I'd argue anyone that tries to refute that, because no matter what studies say, or what you think, I've lived it and saw it first hand.
My advice, nobluffme? Just find what societies you do like, and play there, and don't worry about the ones that want to play the -40 or -50 games or the ones that are determined to make you compete with folks using different rules as you want. Occasionally take a spin in the main tour you are in only if you like the course being played, and then just enjoy it for playing the course, not competing with anyone else.
Thats what I did and its much more fun.
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Post by nobluffme on Sept 29, 2019 5:18:33 GMT -5
My advice, nobluffme? Just find what societies you do like, and play there, and don't worry about the ones that want to play the -40 or -50 games or the ones that are determined to make you compete with folks using different rules as you want. Occasionally take a spin in the main tour you are in only if you like the course being played, and then just enjoy it for playing the course, not competing with anyone else.
Thats what I did and its much more fun.
Finally, someone who gets what I’m saying. I’ve tried some of the other societies, but can’t seem to find the right one. Like you, I’m up against a few things. I’m on Xbox, so it’d be great to find a society that is only Xbox, only Masters clubs, and more than just a handful of players. Have to say, I’m having way more fun this season sitting in 136th place in CC-E with Masters clubs than I was top 50 with Pro Clubs last season. Don't care about being promoted. It’s not why I play. What I’d like to see is each flight of CC be FedEx cup like scoring. To get promoted a level, you’d need a minimum xxx points to get bumped. This system would even help newcomers to the game because there are enough tournaments to acquire points. |
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Post by andy6467 on Oct 24, 2019 11:23:02 GMT -5
I say yes. I joined TGCTOURS Feb 2019 and was assigned CC-E. I enjoyed playing until one week I had a freakishly great week that I got bumped to CC-D. My play was awful in D, never in the top 50%. I’ve got 600 hours invested in this game, and know I’ll never be CC-D or higher. To start the new season, I got 5 demotion marks in just two weeks and back in E....and happy. From my perspective and ability. I’d rather be competing week after week in top 50% that languishing in bottom 10%. If I were given the choice, I don’t want to be promoted. One fluke week shouldn’t have seen be bumped to D, only to be demoted weeks later. I may not be alone, I don’t know. I don’t play this game to get promoted, but to play against others of my same ability. Just a thought Great points. I made the mistake of playing in one of the Promotion Events and got bumped from CC-E to CC-A in one week because i played out of my mind one evening. I then spent the subsequent 4 weeks struggling against a much better field and being demoted one week after the other (and now back down to CC-E) as I have no shot at staying at the CC-A level. While i still play in the TGCT Tours society, I have found other societies where is seems like those who are shooting 40 under par seem to avoid. Still great courses and great competition and while i probably will never win in those societies, I feel like i can compete and have a shot. |
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Post by nobluffme on Oct 24, 2019 11:44:26 GMT -5
I say yes. I joined TGCTOURS Feb 2019 and was assigned CC-E. I enjoyed playing until one week I had a freakishly great week that I got bumped to CC-D. My play was awful in D, never in the top 50%. I’ve got 600 hours invested in this game, and know I’ll never be CC-D or higher. To start the new season, I got 5 demotion marks in just two weeks and back in E....and happy. From my perspective and ability. I’d rather be competing week after week in top 50% that languishing in bottom 10%. If I were given the choice, I don’t want to be promoted. One fluke week shouldn’t have seen be bumped to D, only to be demoted weeks later. I may not be alone, I don’t know. I don’t play this game to get promoted, but to play against others of my same ability. Just a thought Great points. I made the mistake of playing in one of the Promotion Events and got bumped from CC-E to CC-A in one week because i played out of my mind one evening. I then spent the subsequent 4 weeks struggling against a much better field and being demoted one week after the other (and now back down to CC-E) as I have no shot at staying at the CC-A level. While i still play in the TGCT Tours society, I have found other societies where is seems like those who are shooting 40 under par seem to avoid. Still great courses and great competition and while i probably will never win in those societies, I feel like i can compete and have a shot. 👍 I’m now trying different ways of playing and ways to challenge myself other than how low scoring I can go. I really enjoy TrueSimTour, and just finished my first tournament in Ultra SIM society. Lol, I shot +32 over 4 rounds in USE, but absolutely loved it. It felt real because basically all aids are shut off. I’m now replaying my PGA tour career mode using only USE rules. |
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Post by andy6467 on Oct 24, 2019 11:57:09 GMT -5
Great points. I made the mistake of playing in one of the Promotion Events and got bumped from CC-E to CC-A in one week because i played out of my mind one evening. I then spent the subsequent 4 weeks struggling against a much better field and being demoted one week after the other (and now back down to CC-E) as I have no shot at staying at the CC-A level. While i still play in the TGCT Tours society, I have found other societies where is seems like those who are shooting 40 under par seem to avoid. Still great courses and great competition and while i probably will never win in those societies, I feel like i can compete and have a shot. 👍 I’m now trying different ways of playing and ways to challenge myself other than how low scoring I can go. I really enjoy TrueSimTour, and just finished my first tournament in Ultra SIM society. Lol, I shot +32 over 4 rounds in USE, but absolutely loved it. It felt real because basically all aids are shut off. I’m now replaying my PGA tour career mode using only USE rules. I definitely want to be challenged but find the TST rounds to be torturous....lol (especially the putting). |
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Post by nobluffme on Oct 24, 2019 12:50:20 GMT -5
👍 I’m now trying different ways of playing and ways to challenge myself other than how low scoring I can go. I really enjoy TrueSimTour, and just finished my first tournament in Ultra SIM society. Lol, I shot +32 over 4 rounds in USE, but absolutely loved it. It felt real because basically all aids are shut off. I’m now replaying my PGA tour career mode using only USE rules. I definitely want to be challenged but find the TST rounds to be torturous....lol (especially the putting). Just about everyone who gave me advice, said with more play, you’ll eventually read greens. Id say after a dozen SIM tournaments, I’m now seeing putts that I would have never seen before. It does get easier with practice. |
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Post by andy6467 on Oct 24, 2019 12:58:24 GMT -5
I definitely want to be challenged but find the TST rounds to be torturous....lol (especially the putting). Just about everyone who gave me advice, said with more play, you’ll eventually read greens. Id say after a dozen SIM tournaments, I’m now seeing putts that I would have never seen before. It does get easier with practice. Ok, thanks. I might give it a try for something new. I am sure that the unknown right-to-left winds will make my occasional Very Fast downswing result in even more duck hooks. |
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Post by fadgewacker on Nov 19, 2019 10:47:35 GMT -5
Sort of missed my point. Before I joined TGCTOURS, never knew scores of -40 or -50 even existed. I also did know people use rubber bands, flick or modify controllers. I also didn’t know that people on other gaming platforms have a bit of an advantage over Xbox. Finally, I’m using Masters clubs. So I know I’m up against great players, LOSERS, other platforms and Pro clubs to try and get promoted. It ain’t gonna happen, and I’m cool with that. What I’m saying is don’t promote someone who has one fluke week. Maybe wait a week and see if it was an anomaly. Not sure you can use the C word around here, so I've modified it slightly for you... |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Nov 19, 2019 10:56:42 GMT -5
Sort of missed my point. Before I joined TGCTOURS, never knew scores of -40 or -50 even existed. I also did know people use rubber bands, flick or modify controllers. I also didn’t know that people on other gaming platforms have a bit of an advantage over Xbox. Finally, I’m using Masters clubs. So I know I’m up against great players, LOSERS, other platforms and Pro clubs to try and get promoted. It ain’t gonna happen, and I’m cool with that. What I’m saying is don’t promote someone who has one fluke week. Maybe wait a week and see if it was an anomaly. Not sure you can use the C word around here, so I've modified it slightly for you...  |
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Post by nobluffme on Nov 19, 2019 12:20:17 GMT -5
Sort of missed my point. Before I joined TGCTOURS, never knew scores of -40 or -50 even existed. I also did know people use rubber bands, flick or modify controllers. I also didn’t know that people on other gaming platforms have a bit of an advantage over Xbox. Finally, I’m using Masters clubs. So I know I’m up against great players, LOSERS, other platforms and Pro clubs to try and get promoted. It ain’t gonna happen, and I’m cool with that. What I’m saying is don’t promote someone who has one fluke week. Maybe wait a week and see if it was an anomaly. Not sure you can use the C word around here, so I've modified it slightly for you... My bad, I didn’t know that the C word was verboten. They prefer to be called losers? 🤔😆 |
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, but their presence on cc-a was constantly blocking all those guys who actually wanted to be promoted. All the change we had in the promo mark policy last season has been mainly to solve this issue.
