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Post by jre77 on Sept 24, 2019 23:48:59 GMT -5
First let me say this is the best society in the game, hands down. The amount of work the admins put in is incredible and that has resulted in a great following. Contrary to what I may state in this post, I hope this society never goes away.
But (there’s always a “but”, right?), the CC-Z tour needs to have different courses. Coming out of Q-school I was really looking forward to competing against other players of relatively the same skill level. Whatever you want to call it, the CC-Z exists for players of the lowest skill level, the weekend hacker, including me. So when I started playing in tournaments, I quickly realized the courses that were selected were not (and still aren’t) tailored to the weekend hacker. For example, on most greens I seemed like I was putting down the side of a mountain on a sheet of ice, only to have that softly hit, missed putt wind up the same distance away from the cup from which it started.
Most people will say “you need to practice more”. I agree, but I can’t imagine the number of practice hours it would take to hopefully crack the top 20, let alone the top 10. All I’m asking for are courses which are reflective of the skill levels of players in the “weekend hacker” league. Maybe courses with softer fairways and greens, or wider fairways and less hazards.
Maybe this isn’t the society for me (I hope that’s not true), but nonetheless I’ll still compete.
Frustrated.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Sept 25, 2019 6:28:39 GMT -5
Hi  2 things. 1) sadly, the flights on this tour are related with "special" societies in the game. This societies are "special" cause they're running with the support of HB to play crossing systems. To have separated courses for cc-Z, it would be needed another society, and this is not possible to have. No counting the surplus of work needed for our already extra busy admins. 2) and trust me if I say this is the most important thing..i don't know when you started to play. I can assure that, at some point, you'll be surprised from your improvements in this game. Take your time..don't quit and you'll see by yourself what I mean. Good luck |
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Post by catcherman22 on Sept 25, 2019 11:47:38 GMT -5
Also... the courses that are in this first batch this season come from the CC design contest... which was for all the cc levels....
starting next week, the greens get much tamer.
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Post by dreagleg on Oct 1, 2019 6:34:15 GMT -5
Yeah don't worry mate, you'll definitely get better.
I'm a living example of inctimental improvement. I've been here half a season and played around 12 tournaments; my first week out of Q School I carded a +27, fast forward to my last tournament and I've just finished on - 16; not good enough to win, but definitely an improvement.
Give it a few weeks and you'll be shooting much more competitive scores.
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Post by jre77 on Oct 10, 2019 23:12:16 GMT -5
Appreciate the support, but after Angel’s Edge (which is a beautiful course by the way) the fun and my competitiveness are slowly draining. That course was not designed for CC-Z golfers.
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll still play every week, but my expectation to advance (or even gain a promotion mark) has pretty much vanished.
Good luck and have fun!!
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Post by dreagleg on Oct 11, 2019 1:35:37 GMT -5
Yeah gaining a promotion mark is pretty tough, but there's always the promotion events too - I jumped two divisions from CC-Z with a score of even par, which is attainable for most CC-Zers.
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Post by boffo on Oct 11, 2019 8:15:06 GMT -5
Back in the day when I was in CC-Z there was no CC Pro and Am so all of CC from A to Z played the same course each week. I'd say consider yourself lucky that your difficulty level trends more towards easier courses now than what it used to, but at the same time the tougher courses despite being painful at the time tend to be the ones that help you learn and improve the most in the long run. CC-Z I've found is usually filled with a combination of those that are basically lifers down there and those that are new to the game and just figuring everything out. If you've been playing the game for months and are still in Z the best thing to do is participate in the weekly tournament thread and try to make some friends/rivals with others who are fixtures there. You may not be competing for top 10's or 20's but you can still push each other as competition among yourselves. And always set small personal goals for yourself each week as you should at the very least always be competing with yourself.
If you're newer to the game and still figuring things out then just keep at it and remember the things you learn while playing the tougher courses. In the majority of cases things will just click all of a sudden and you'll see the improvement in your game and you'll start to compete for those top 10's and eventually move up a tier and go back to feeling that you'll never be able to compete in the top 10, until you do. If things never click, which is the case for some and you become a CC-Z lifer than just try to accept it and have fun with it.
While the promotion structure was different when I got demoted into CC-Z things did suddenly click for me and while it was almost a year long journey I did grind my way up to the Web.com(Korn Ferry) level and did get a 2nd place finish and a couple PGA/Euro exemption attempts while there, so it can be done. Making it that high from Z is very rare but there are a lot of former CC-Zers that make it well into the CCPro ranks, so just keep at it and anything can happen. If not as long as you're still having fun is really the most important thing.
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Post by ErixonStone on Oct 11, 2019 9:06:07 GMT -5
Most importantly, the absolute score doesn't matter. Your score, relative to the field, is what matters.
Some players play better (relative to the field) on more challenging courses. Other players play better on courses with lots of elevation changes. Some players play better (relative to the field) when there is more wind.
As long as the schedule has a good mix of different types and difficulty of courses, you're bound to have a few that suit your game or "fit your eye."
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Post by dreagleg on Oct 11, 2019 9:16:54 GMT -5
What does score relative to the field mean?
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Post by cephyn on Oct 11, 2019 10:09:51 GMT -5
What does score relative to the field mean? You're only competing against other CCZ players. If it's hard for you, its hard for all of you. Most people in CCZ - or in any flight - won't crack the top 10. Only about 10 of you will! Lower your expectations, and just try to play against yourself and the course. The rest will follow. Often for CCZ players they will find that the game suddenly 'clicks' and you go from +20 to playing E, and then suddenly put up a -15 or -20 week. I've seen lots of players, myself included, make huge leaps seemingly out of nowhere. Keep at it. |
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Post by rob4590 on Oct 11, 2019 10:10:00 GMT -5
What does score relative to the field mean? Comparing your score with the average score for the week. If the average score for one week is Level par, and you shoot -10 - then you are 10 shots better than average - so you may come 30th out of 100. The next week (on an easier course) you shoot -20 (which may feel like you played better), but if the average score for the field is -25, then you are 5 worse than average - so although you feel you played better (relative to par), you would finish lower down the field as everyone else found it a lot easier too! Probably 60th out of 100. |
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Post by dreagleg on Oct 11, 2019 12:03:22 GMT -5
Ah cool. Is the average score available in stats or is it something you work out yourself?
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Post by rob4590 on Oct 11, 2019 12:09:43 GMT -5
Ah cool. Is the average score available in stats or is it something you work out yourself?
If you go to your profile on the main TGCT page - and scroll to the bottom - there is a graph there which shows you it (Tourney Differentials)
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Post by jre77 on Oct 16, 2019 22:42:18 GMT -5
What does score relative to the field mean? Often for CCZ players they will find that the game suddenly 'clicks' and you go from +20 to playing E, and then suddenly put up a -15 or -20 week. I've seen lots of players, myself included, make huge leaps seemingly out of nowhere. Keep at it. I completely agree with this, but the weeks it “clicks” for me is also the same week it seems to “click” for many others as well. What I think is a lights-out performance suddenly becomes average. |
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Post by dreagleg on Oct 17, 2019 1:40:56 GMT -5
I think it's more of an overall click, as in, your play and scores start to generally trend much better than they were before.
My first tournament I scored a +28, and a half season later I'm regularly scoring between - 10 and - 15 per tourney. The problem is most winning scores are between - 30 and - 40, so if I'm looking to improve to that level I have to drill down into the granular detail of my game.
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