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Post by joegolferg on Feb 26, 2015 9:27:42 GMT -5
I personally think turning the aids off is a terrible idea, particularly the wind and green grid. Turning the wind meter off?! what so we just guess?! making it more random for people doesn't make it better, it makes it worse. I personally have a 2 screen set up at my house, so my wife can watch tv while I play ps4 using a projector and screen. The quality of image isn't good enough to read greens without a guide, and I don't have sound on to 'hear the wind'. Having to guess the wind is not something real golfers have to do, they have actual wind in their faces. We don't have that luxury. Removing these guides would be a classic case of 'moving the goalposts' which is completely unnecessary. There are far better ways of making average scores go up than removing guides. Picking courses that force people to fade and draw the ball for example. I think quite a few players would quit the tour without guides, possibly myself included. That being said its completely up to the owners of the tour to run it as they see fit, so obviously I would totally respect their decision if they wanted to turn any guides off. But I probably wouldn't be playing in that case. Hope the owners go with the vote on this one! Go and play a round with no wind meter and try it for yourself first mate, Its a lot different from what you think it will be like it doesn't make things 'random' you soon suss it out after a couple of shots. Also you can tell the wind speed by looking at the clouds, and you get a very good idea of how strong it is. |
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Post by joegolferg on Feb 26, 2015 9:29:21 GMT -5
Just like to remind everyone that this is a proposal for WGC and MAJORS only...... It's not for the whole tour.
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Post by jeffvadersith on Feb 26, 2015 9:53:13 GMT -5
lol at 'looking at the clouds' for wind speed. How on earth is that an improvement to the game?! Just at the majors isn't helping as the majors are obviously the ones that everyone wants to win. have you practiced on that magnolia course for the masters? that course is plenty hard enough without having to estimate the wind. Being 2 yards out on that course is the difference between a birdie and a bogey. So obviously it is making it more random. Anyway, like I said, its up to the tour owners at the end of the day. According to the poll the majority of people agree with my stance to keep the aids, but I will respect whatever is decided. In my opinion the scout cam is the least realistic aspect, but as I said before if you turn it off people with 2 accounts will load the game up on both and have a scout at the green anyway. So therefore leave it all as it is.
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Post by Doyley on Feb 26, 2015 10:40:48 GMT -5
Yea, it seems that everyone that says no wind meter is ridiculous hasn't even tried it. No Wind meter just means you don't see the MPH. The wind direction still shows up and changes as the wind direction changes. The only thing you don't know is the speed so you can still play the proper shots with it off, you just can't dial in the exact wind.
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Post by fuzion on Feb 26, 2015 10:44:24 GMT -5
Yea, it seems that everyone that says no wind meter is ridiculous hasn't even tried it. No Wind meter just means you don't see the MPH. The wind direction still shows up and changes as the wind direction changes. The only thing you don't know is the speed so you can still play the proper shots with it off, you just can't dial in the exact wind. I would be happy to try this setting in tournaments; hopefully HB will have the wind fix for tournaments soon as well. (although it would mean I'd have to work on my putting!) |
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Post by jeffvadersith on Feb 26, 2015 10:53:58 GMT -5
but you still have to guess the wind speed? Like I say, i don't own the tour, you guys have put in all the (much appreciated) hard work, so I would respect whatever you decided. But I personally don't think its better, or more realistic, or anything such. I have just managed to climb to around / near the top of the pga leaderboard by hard work and practice, so maybe that's why I don't want it changing. Maybe if I was struggling every week I would want a change. Who knows. As world number 1 doyley, I am certain you would cope well with whatever the conditions and guides that are turned off. Personally my game is all about tee to green, I haven't mastered putting yet although I intend to. But my irons are becoming really dialed in, to the point that 1 or 2 yards really can matter a tremendous amount. This accuracy will clearly be lost if I don't know the wind speed, as 2 mph difference could be up to 4 yards difference in landing zone. Which would suck, in my opinion. It obviously makes it more of a lottery. The wind changes from hole to hole, and you would have no way of knowing until you hit your shot! Obviously we are going round in circles a bit here anyway, its not my tour, not my call. I do love the idea of usb fans plugged in to a laptop to tell us wind speed! might be difficult to implement in reality though!
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Post by fondername0 on Feb 26, 2015 11:04:26 GMT -5
I mean this as no offense, and the guy that started this thread has been very respectful. People, Just play the game.
Is a WGC event in real life different from a regular tour event? Do they use a smaller hole? lol Like in real life, the WGC event on TGCTours has a tougher field.
Anyway, look at the vote tally. Seems like the community has spoken pretty clearly so far.
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Post by Doyley on Feb 26, 2015 11:44:18 GMT -5
but you still have to guess the wind speed? Like I say, i don't own the tour, you guys have put in all the (much appreciated) hard work, so I would respect whatever you decided. But I personally don't think its better, or more realistic, or anything such. I have just managed to climb to around / near the top of the pga leaderboard by hard work and practice, so maybe that's why I don't want it changing. Maybe if I was struggling every week I would want a change. Who knows. As world number 1 doyley, I am certain you would cope well with whatever the conditions and guides that are turned off. Personally my game is all about tee to green, I haven't mastered putting yet although I intend to. But my irons are becoming really dialed in, to the point that 1 or 2 yards really can matter a tremendous amount. This accuracy will clearly be lost if I don't know the wind speed, as 2 mph difference could be up to 4 yards difference in landing zone. Which would suck, in my opinion. It obviously makes it more of a lottery. The wind changes from hole to hole, and you would have no way of knowing until you hit your shot! Obviously we are going round in circles a bit here anyway, its not my tour, not my call. I do love the idea of usb fans plugged in to a laptop to tell us wind speed! might be difficult to implement in reality though! Ha, the USB fans would be hilarious! I understand your side of the coin too but I still think it's easier to play in than what you are suggesting. When I play with it off, I pick a wind number that I think it's at and hit to that. If I play too much/too little, I adjust on the next shot. Doing this you can pretty much get to within 1 or 2 mph of the actual wind fairly quickly - when it changes you are usually a shot behind adjusting. The reason this is ideal is because it will push everyone a few feet outside of the hole from where they are now. It would affect everyone the same for the most part and all scores would drop - not sure how much but they would drop. The goal would not be to bunch the field up, but to bring the overall scores down to a slightly more believable number. I don't see the order of the leaderboards changing much - it will likely still be similar to what it is today, but I do think that the 60-unders (for a tournament) would be a thing of the past. Do me a favour and just try it and let me know how you find it - I would be really interested in your opinion on it after trying it, knowing your stance now. Feel free to PM me with your thoughts if you decide to give it a go. This goes for anyone else in the "wind meter off camp is not ideal". After trying it, give me your honest opinion as that information is very valuable to me in making decisions. |
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Feb 26, 2015 11:46:33 GMT -5
I mean this as no offense, and the guy that started this thread has been very respectful. People, Just play the game. Is a WGC event in real life different from a regular tour event? Do they use a smaller hole? lol Like in real life, the WGC event on TGCTours has a tougher field. Anyway, look at the vote tally. Seems like the community has spoken pretty clearly so far. No Offence taken, I have liked every single comment anybody has posted, again thanks everybody for there input, its been interesting to say the least, the poll closes in a day or so, so when it does we will get a clear indication, from those who voted anyway, how they wish to continue playing the WGC and MAJORS.
Do they use a smaller hole? NO, but it could be interesting, lol, imagine rory or Jordan speith, "I CANT SEE THE HOLE" LOL. 
In fairness to all players within the game any new way of playing it ie different aids on or off, would adapt to it with practice, to the point of where they are now, and maybe even better when they play with these aids turned back on, but that's just my opinion.
Play well all and Happy golfing.
Thanks.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Feb 26, 2015 11:51:03 GMT -5
Do me a favour and just try it and let me know how you find it - I would be really interested in your opinion on it after trying it, knowing your stance now. Feel free to PM me with your thoughts if you decide to give it a go. This goes for anyone else in the "wind meter off camp is not ideal". After trying it, give me your honest opinion as that information is very valuable to me in making decisions. This to would interest myself also, maybe you (doyley) could create a thread named " no wind meter opinions" but only post when you have played with the aid turned off, just an idea. |
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Post by jeffvadersith on Feb 26, 2015 11:52:17 GMT -5
Ok absolutely, I will give it a go and let you know what I think. My putting sucks at the moment so I hardly ever sink anything outside of 10 feet, which is why I probably don't want to lose any iron accuracy! Literally just discovered moving that yellow marker thing closer to where you want the putt to go makes a difference, so hopefully practicing adjusting that will help a bit.
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Post by Doyley on Feb 26, 2015 11:57:43 GMT -5
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Post by Pubknight on Feb 26, 2015 11:59:15 GMT -5
Hard to imagine how people have managed to play golf forever without knowing the exact wind speed they were facing.
You would still know the direction, the direction indicator would stay.
It's just the mph reading that goes away.
Looking at the trees, looking at the flag, and watching your ball flight, and paying attention to where shots land is all you need to do to get an idea of how strong the wind is.
And that's all it should be... an approximate idea.
You should be able to figure out it's somewhere between say 5 and 8 mph just from playing the game.
And that's enough.
Maybe not enough to drop it right on top of the flag... but that's exactly the point.
You shouldn't be able to drop it right on top of the flag every time.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Feb 26, 2015 11:59:38 GMT -5
Going to take the advice of Smiffy and split this off into its own thread Whos Smiffly , lol, no L in smiffy, lol, |
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Post by Doyley on Feb 26, 2015 12:09:54 GMT -5
Going to take the advice of Smiffy and split this off into its own thread Whos Smiffly , lol, no L in smiffy, lol, Ninja edit, now who's crazy! |
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