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Post by theclv24 on Feb 25, 2015 13:00:15 GMT -5
I'm not disputing that participation numbers are a key attribute to the running of the tours, but if u r playing the tours to make the invitation list for WGC and MAJOR tournaments then you should be prepared to play such tournaments with NO SCOUT CAM or NO WIND METER, otherwise why play to get there in the first place?
Yes I realise its invitational but if you don't want to play in it, have a week off then continue on ur tour.
All I want is for these tournaments to be different in one way or another, but hey we don't always get what we want.lol. 
Turning off just one aid for these tournaments is surely not going to upset to many players who when the following week return to all aids on in there respected tour.
But I do also understand your opinion and thanks for your input.
All totally reasonable points and I agree 100%. People are unreasonable, though. There were so many "wtf" and "you can't be serious" moments when people brought up complaints and said they were done with the tour that it made my head hurt. Unfortunately, you have to take the good with the bad. There are always people who want to win so bad that they will cheat, and you will always have people who want to be competitive but will only try so hard before giving up. Being taken out of their comfort zone is a give up moment. |
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Feb 25, 2015 13:03:17 GMT -5
I'm not disputing that participation numbers are a key attribute to the running of the tours, but if u r playing the tours to make the invitation list for WGC and MAJOR tournaments then you should be prepared to play such tournaments with NO SCOUT CAM or NO WIND METER, otherwise why play to get there in the first place?
Yes I realise its invitational but if you don't want to play in it, have a week off then continue on ur tour.
All I want is for these tournaments to be different in one way or another, but hey we don't always get what we want.lol.
Turning off just one aid for these tournaments is surely not going to upset to many players who when the following week return to all aids on in there respected tour.
But I do also understand your opinion and thanks for your input.
All totally reasonable points and I agree 100%. People are unreasonable, though. There were so many "wtf" and "you can't be serious" moments when people brought up complaints and said they were done with the tour that it made my head hurt. Unfortunately, you have to take the good with the bad. There are always people who want to win so bad that they will cheat, and you will always have people who want to be competitive but will only try so hard before giving up. Being taken out of their comfort zone is a give up moment.And highlighted in red my friend is half the problem. |
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Post by Doyley on Feb 25, 2015 13:08:21 GMT -5
While I'm totally on the side of making things more difficult, we won't be making any changes with regards to aids for the Cadillac Championship. We will be running a 2 round tour (exhibition tour a la handicap tour) that will have wind turned off. Any TGCT member can play this alongside the WGC event. It will be more of an experiment to see how much higher the scores go.
Again, wind indicator off is likely the only aid that could see the light of day on the PGA or Euro tours, but until HB brings in similar wind per tournament round (for everyone), no changes are going to be made.
Any changes to aids would be announced well in advance as well.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Feb 25, 2015 13:12:26 GMT -5
While I'm totally on the side of making things more difficult, we won't be making any changes with regards to aids for the Cadillac Championship. We will be running a 2 round tour ( exhibition tour a la handicap tour) that will have wind turned off. Any TGCT member can play this alongside the WGC event. It will be more of an experiment to see how much higher the scores go. Again, wind indicator off is likely the only aid that could see the light of day on the PGA or Euro tours, but until HB brings in similar wind per tournament round (for everyone), no changes are going to be made. Any changes to aids would be announced well in advance as well. Thought this would be the case, but as a tournament director can you see my point of view regarding the WGC and Majors, will the highlighted red be the name of the no wind tour, lol, and it will be interesting, and thanks for your response on the matter. |
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Post by Doyley on Feb 25, 2015 13:16:25 GMT -5
While I'm totally on the side of making things more difficult, we won't be making any changes with regards to aids for the Cadillac Championship. We will be running a 2 round tour ( exhibition tour a la handicap tour) that will have wind turned off. Any TGCT member can play this alongside the WGC event. It will be more of an experiment to see how much higher the scores go. Again, wind indicator off is likely the only aid that could see the light of day on the PGA or Euro tours, but until HB brings in similar wind per tournament round (for everyone), no changes are going to be made. Any changes to aids would be announced well in advance as well. Thought this would be the case, but as a tournament director can you see my point of view regarding the WGC and Majors, will the highlighted red be the name of the no wind tour, lol, and it will be interesting, and thanks for your response on the matter. I do see your point and I agree with you - as do others on the admin. But for the greater good/health of the tours, it's not the right time - there needs to be some improvements to the game first. |
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Post by SloanerTW on Feb 25, 2015 13:24:47 GMT -5
Here's the problems with taking away any of these features.
No scout cam - the people who can devote alot of time to learning the course will have a distinct advantage over others who can only play 1 or 2 practise rounds.
No green grid - anything from hardware differences to read greens or just having to take the time to move the aiming marker around which makes for a long boring round of golf.
No wind speed - everyone who wants a chance to compete will have to wait for calm winds and those with busy schedules will most likely be sol. Without windspeed the advantage of calm winds is at least 5x greater than it is with it on.
No aids at all - my dog has a the same chance of competing with doley
If you want higher scores make the course and conditions harder don't take away the stuff that makes the game fair for all
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Post by Doyley on Feb 25, 2015 13:50:09 GMT -5
No wind speed - everyone who wants a chance to compete will have to wait for calm winds and those with busy schedules will most likely be sol. Without windspeed the advantage of calm winds is at least 5x greater than it is with it on. This one makes the most sense if/when HB brings in similar winds per round for everyone - but not before that. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 18:01:54 GMT -5
In real life, you will feel the wind, and can easily adjust for direction and strength. WO this indicator in the game, where 1 mph is about 1 yard, just visually deciding in bad graphics ingame, if it is 3 or 9 mph will obviously be a difference of atleast 6 yards. In headwind even more. So, with no sensory input-device aka usb-windmachine (that would be cool!), I cant understand why and how you will do this....  |
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Post by dlw1964 on Feb 25, 2015 18:48:16 GMT -5
Turning the wind meter off just creates a random landing zone.
The heavier the wind the bigger the zone.
Bad idea. IMO
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Post by Doyley on Feb 26, 2015 0:37:56 GMT -5
The wind is not difficult to find out in game (with no aids). Just take a shot and you can lock it in. Trees blowing heavily indicated 10+mph. Audio cues = high wind. The purpose for turning off the wind would be to increase the landing areas around the pin. If you have issues figuring out the wind after watching a shot, I can give lessons via a video. Game within a game as you have to stay on top of the changes and adjust. Of course, I've mentioned it multiple times, but it wouldn't be used until the wind was similar for all users. This is the easiest aid to remove and is the one that can be figured out without much effort since the visual cues are very obvious due to the flight of your ball.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 4:13:48 GMT -5
HB should add a "drop grass" feature. Where your golfer picks up some grass and drops the blades so you can see the direction and speed of wind. Doesn't even need an animation if they don't feel inclined.
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Post by Oblong on Feb 26, 2015 5:56:49 GMT -5
HB should add a "drop grass" feature. Where your golfer picks up some grass and drops the blades so you can see the direction and speed of wind. Doesn't even need an animation if they don't feel inclined. The problem with that is that HBS would need an animation for it...the animation of grass dropping. So if the wind was say 7mph the game would run "Grass Animation 1.7" and so on. There would likely have to be hundreds of animations to reflect all the wind speeds and directions but it would not take long for users to figure out "Oh that was Grass Animation 1.7". So all you have done is create an extra step and give an advantage to those who take the time to chart out all the hundreds of animations (yes, they will). I don't see any gain of doing this. Whoever mentioned the idea of hooking up a USB fan to your system was brilliant, unfortunately you would need at least 4 fans hooked up and they would have to be variable speed fans, but still I thought it was a pretty cool albeit wholly impractible idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 6:21:30 GMT -5
HB should add a "drop grass" feature. Where your golfer picks up some grass and drops the blades so you can see the direction and speed of wind. Doesn't even need an animation if they don't feel inclined. Whoever mentioned the idea of hooking up a USB fan to your system was brilliant, unfortunately you would need at least 4 fans hooked up and they would have to be variable speed fans, but still I thought it was a pretty cool albeit wholly impractible idea. Yeah, that was a great Idea  Maybe for those special interested, it could be bought as an add-on kit? |
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Post by joegolferg on Feb 26, 2015 6:25:34 GMT -5
No scout cam is all we need.
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Post by jeffvadersith on Feb 26, 2015 6:54:43 GMT -5
I personally think turning the aids off is a terrible idea, particularly the wind and green grid. Turning the wind meter off?! what so we just guess?! making it more random for people doesn't make it better, it makes it worse. I personally have a 2 screen set up at my house, so my wife can watch tv while I play ps4 using a projector and screen. The quality of image isn't good enough to read greens without a guide, and I don't have sound on to 'hear the wind'. Having to guess the wind is not something real golfers have to do, they have actual wind in their faces. We don't have that luxury. Removing these guides would be a classic case of 'moving the goalposts' which is completely unnecessary. There are far better ways of making average scores go up than removing guides. Picking courses that force people to fade and draw the ball for example.
I think quite a few players would quit the tour without guides, possibly myself included. That being said its completely up to the owners of the tour to run it as they see fit, so obviously I would totally respect their decision if they wanted to turn any guides off. But I probably wouldn't be playing in that case.
Hope the owners go with the vote on this one!
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Maybe for those special interested, it could be bought as an add-on kit? 
