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Post by rfitzgerald11 on Jul 24, 2019 15:43:41 GMT -5
New to the tour this year so maybe these have been discussed before but somethings that would be really fun to have, especially for players who will never get to that top Pro level.
1) Can we have a CC playoff series? After the last week of the season, based on points or money list in the CC season you advance to the CC playoffs? Would be great to try and be the season champ of the certain CC at the end of the year.
2) A CC Pro and CC AM major tournament. Maybe do a society where its CC Pro and CC Am special events. Based on money list in the players CC if they are CC Pro at the time of the major, top 50 in CCA, top 40 in CCB, top 30 in CCC, top 20 in CCD qualify for the CC Pro version. Same top breakouts for CCE-CCZ for the CCAM major.
3) Have Ryder Cup and Presidents Cup for the CC Pro and CC Am groups.
4) Within Special Events how about a large bracketed tournament? Treat it as a 2 week tournament. Everyone who plays at least one round by Monday's original R1 advancement gets entered and seeded based on WGR. Then during that Monday advancement we follow the bracket instead of the leader board to see if we advanced. If its a 2 week event 8 rounds allows 256 players to enter. Depending on participation may need to be broken up but would be something to mix it up in regards to tournament format.
I probably did a horrible job explaining some of this and there could be system limitations to what is able to be done. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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Post by staypuft39 on Jul 24, 2019 16:37:13 GMT -5
How big of a donation to the site would you make to help with the hours and hours of development needed to make these changes?
Because if it were huge, I'm guessing the volunteer admins may be able to make it happen.
If not? Well then that seems like a lot of work for no reason as CC players currently have a full schedule of events.
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Post by Doyley on Jul 24, 2019 18:42:30 GMT -5
I am currently hiding under the bed. Let me know when it's safe to come out!
Ps all those are valid suggestions - unfortunately each one requires hours of my time to organize and admin and I just don't have that time availabe for most of them
We have done a Ryder cup for cc in the past but it's such a small fraction of the user base that gets to participate that its just not feasible to do that on top of the one we do for the top players.
The reason cc isn't getting their own playoffs is because there's just too many new players coming in weekly and we can't lock those flights down to do a playoff.
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 27, 2019 7:51:06 GMT -5
New to the tour this year so maybe these have been discussed before but somethings that would be really fun to have, especially for players who will never get to that top Pro level. 1) Can we have a CC playoff series? After the last week of the season, based on points or money list in the CC season you advance to the CC playoffs? Would be great to try and be the season champ of the certain CC at the end of the year. 2) A CC Pro and CC AM major tournament. Maybe do a society where its CC Pro and CC Am special events. Based on money list in the players CC if they are CC Pro at the time of the major, top 50 in CCA, top 40 in CCB, top 30 in CCC, top 20 in CCD qualify for the CC Pro version. Same top breakouts for CCE-CCZ for the CCAM major. 3) Have Ryder Cup and Presidents Cup for the CC Pro and CC Am groups. 4) Within Special Events how about a large bracketed tournament? Treat it as a 2 week tournament. Everyone who plays at least one round by Monday's original R1 advancement gets entered and seeded based on WGR. Then during that Monday advancement we follow the bracket instead of the leader board to see if we advanced. If its a 2 week event 8 rounds allows 256 players to enter. Depending on participation may need to be broken up but would be something to mix it up in regards to tournament format. I probably did a horrible job explaining some of this and there could be system limitations to what is able to be done. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Yours are interesting ideas but, above the enormous amount of work required to the admins, you should to consider also that to organize a playoff based on money list or standings it would be senseless, simply cause, if i understand well how things works, the money list in cc definitely don't shows the best players we have in cc, but simply those players who stays most time is possible (possibly all season long) in the same flight. If my thought is correct, then the only ranking a bit trustworthy could be the WGR, but obviously the new players, even if they're really good, can hardly have a good ranking. And, about the idea to play playoffs, Ryder & president cup etc..there is also to say that I think is correct that this kind of tournaments should be played just by the best world players. To participate to these tournaments is the greatest achievement a player can ever obtain. It would be a little "disqualifying" to have these tournaments played in a level not so high as cc actually is. But, most important thing..the ambition to play these great tournaments is the fuel for the ambition of all of us to want to improve enough to reach the requested level to play these events. Even if played at cc level, these events should never have the same value or interest. About the majors..is true, we have not official majors but for example we played just last week a tournament at Royal Portrush, built to offer to cc players exactly the feeling and the flavor of a major, with also double prizes..so actually we already have our majors. I understand your wish to have a better experience in this tour, but the correct way is probably not to mocking the PGA tour. The right way is to work hardly to improve enough to leave cc and find a way to compete with the pro. And this challenge is probably the better we can have here. Or at least, this is my feeling.  |
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Post by nobluffme on Jul 28, 2019 5:32:51 GMT -5
Just a thought, but maybe demotions should be twice a month...or once a month...instead of weekly.
Here’s why: I joined TGC Tours in February and began on CC-E tour. I had reasonable success, but never top 25. Then one week, I had a fluke week and finished high enough to be promoted to D. I have struggled each and every week to be top 125.
I think I should be in E, and I know I could tank every week to end up in E, but I don’t play that way.
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Post by pc17 on Jul 28, 2019 8:44:53 GMT -5
Just a thought, but maybe demotions should be twice a month...or once a month...instead of weekly. Here’s why: I joined TGC Tours in February and began on CC-E tour. I had reasonable success, but never top 25. Then one week, I had a fluke week and finished high enough to be promoted to D. I have struggled each and every week to be top 125. I think I should be in E, and I know I could tank every week to end up in E, but I don’t play that way. I will add to your comments, and say it would be nice if you earned promotion from CC-A you could have the choice of remaining where you are. This happened to me weeks ago, and knowing how I disliked using Master clubs I figured the future was going to be very frustrating, and I wasn't wrong. I haven't got the patience to persevere with these clubs as I never feel as though I'm in control. I can honestly say that IRL, I can hit from an 8 iron down to a SW straighter than I can in this game with Masters. It's not realistic at all. So now I'm confined to playing the in-game PGA as I don't have a tour below Web.com to play in. I don't believe that if you where given the choice of staying in the CC-A, it be dominated by the same players each week. Some players would want to move up, and there are always new players coming through the ranks that would challenge the good players that wish to remain in the CC-A. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 28, 2019 9:53:29 GMT -5
Just a thought, but maybe demotions should be twice a month...or once a month...instead of weekly. Here’s why: I joined TGC Tours in February and began on CC-E tour. I had reasonable success, but never top 25. Then one week, I had a fluke week and finished high enough to be promoted to D. I have struggled each and every week to be top 125. I think I should be in E, and I know I could tank every week to end up in E, but I don’t play that way. I will add to your comments, and say it would be nice if you earned promotion from CC-A you could have the choice of remaining where you are. This happened to me weeks ago, and knowing how I disliked using Master clubs I figured the future was going to be very frustrating, and I wasn't wrong. I haven't got the patience to persevere with these clubs as I never feel as though I'm in control. I can honestly say that IRL, I can hit from an 8 iron down to a SW straighter than I can in this game with Masters. It's not realistic at all. So now I'm confined to playing the in-game PGA as I don't have a tour below Web.com to play in. I don't believe that if you where given the choice of staying in the CC-A, it be dominated by the same players each week. Some players would want to move up, and there are always new players coming through the ranks that would challenge the good players that wish to remain in the CC-A. I understand your feelings, but if the tour should applicate this idea, soon or later in cc-a would be actually impossible (or in any case unfairly tough) to gain a promo mark for people who actually wants to be promoted, cause this flight would be full of super-strong pro clubs players who, in fact, just paralyze the promotion system. There's no need to dominate the flight to create unfair difficulties. If after 5 top placement you (or some other player) stays in cc-a, your simple presence is something wrong. And no matter what. A tour can't allow the policy of "big fishes in small pond". Should be the death of the tour. The competition is mandatory. Maybe a solution (if it possible to have this kind of solution..and if this kind of solution would be considered fair..and I have some doubt on this), it could be to declare himself unable to receive promo mark, but only demo mark. In this way, if you finished a tournament in 3rd position, for example, your promo mark switch to some other player who actually wants to be promoted. I can't see other solutions...unless a separation of the tours for clubs. |
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Post by pc17 on Jul 28, 2019 11:56:20 GMT -5
I will add to your comments, and say it would be nice if you earned promotion from CC-A you could have the choice of remaining where you are. This happened to me weeks ago, and knowing how I disliked using Master clubs I figured the future was going to be very frustrating, and I wasn't wrong. I haven't got the patience to persevere with these clubs as I never feel as though I'm in control. I can honestly say that IRL, I can hit from an 8 iron down to a SW straighter than I can in this game with Masters. It's not realistic at all. So now I'm confined to playing the in-game PGA as I don't have a tour below Web.com to play in. I don't believe that if you where given the choice of staying in the CC-A, it be dominated by the same players each week. Some players would want to move up, and there are always new players coming through the ranks that would challenge the good players that wish to remain in the CC-A. I understand your feelings, but if the tour should applicate this idea, soon or later in cc-a would be actually impossible (or in any case unfairly tough) to gain a promo mark for people who actually wants to be promoted, cause this flight would be full of super-strong pro clubs players who, in fact, just paralyze the promotion system. There's no need to dominate the flight to create unfair difficulties. If after 5 top placement you (or some other player) stays in cc-a, your simple presence is something wrong. And no matter what. A tour can't allow the policy of "big fishes in small pond". Should be the death of the tour. The competition is mandatory. Maybe a solution (if it possible to have this kind of solution..and if this kind of solution would be considered fair..and I have some doubt on this), it could be to declare himself unable to receive promo mark, but only demo mark. In this way, if you finished a tournament in 3rd position, for example, your promo mark switch to some other player who actually wants to be promoted. I can't see other solutions...unless a separation of the tours for clubs. Maybe you could have a CC-Pro Tour, for players that gain promotion from the CC-A but don't want to play in the Web.com. The CC-Pro Tour would be similar to the PGA, where you don't move any higher, except, you can request at anytime to move to the WebTour, but you must stay there for the rest of the season, unless you get demoted, where you then have a choice of moving down to CC-Pro or CC-A. |
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Post by ezzinomilonga on Jul 28, 2019 12:31:59 GMT -5
This would be a really good solution, but I don't know if is actually possible to implement it, cause we have to deal with a limit of societies in which we can work, if I understand well how things works.
We should need the help from hb to realize it..not counting all the other problems in the organization that I don't know exactly. But for sure this idea is a good one, in my opinion.
And could be also a fair alternative solution to the idea to separate completely all the tours.
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Post by ErixonStone on Jul 28, 2019 17:25:57 GMT -5
This would be a really good solution, but I don't know if is actually possible to implement it, cause we have to deal with a limit of societies in which we can work, if I understand well how things works. We should need the help from hb to realize it..not counting all the other problems in the organization that I don't know exactly. But for sure this idea is a good one, in my opinion. And could be also a fair alternative solution to the idea to separate completely all the tours. I think it could be managed through API; it's more a matter that there's a lot more admin work that would go into it. |
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