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Post by Doyley on Feb 20, 2015 13:40:55 GMT -5
Cross-Overs Policy
applies to PGA and European Tours only
TGCT has updated the policy to allow for unlimited cross-overs for PGA and European Tour members. Previously there was a limit of 10. Priority will still go to tour card members since they are able to register for events 14 days in advance. Members looking to cross-over can start registering 5 days in advance of the event's start date. Official policy wording below.
Cross-Over Registration
There is no limit to how many events PGA and European tour card holders can play on the tour for which they do not have a card.
Cross-Over registration will open up 5 days prior to the start of an event. This is to give first registration rights to the players holding a card on the hosting tour.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 22:31:47 GMT -5
Great change Doyley, will make life alot simpler than trying to figure out what events you want to play in for the season. Will this change have any effect on what will happen for the end of year relegation? For instance a player is on the PGA Tour and falls in the bottom 20% at the end of year but they played enough cross over events on the Euro Tour and finished "mid table". Would they have to go to Web.com Tour Finals or would they earn a Euro Tour card?
Don't know if thats too confusing or not?
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Post by Doyley on Feb 21, 2015 22:52:37 GMT -5
We're going to have a good hard look at the end of season stuff sometime soon. The changes we are making now are likely to affect what we had planned to do at the end of the season - flights, crossovers etc. Right now the priority is getting the season working to where it keeps everyone happy. Once we get it locked in, the end of season stuff will get our full attention. The FedEx Cup and Race to Dubai are still a go as planned. We just need to take a good look at the Web.com and figure out how the flights affect the end of season Q-schools and Web.com Tour Finals.
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Post by mcbogga on Feb 22, 2015 5:50:59 GMT -5
I would suggest to have a minimum events played on a tour in order to qualify for a card or to retain membership to balance this ruling.
In my "purist" view it is also too easy to get into the top tours in current set up. Understand why it has been done and why you cannot stay true to real life on that - but it does "devalue" the Web.com finals and other end of season stuff. Would have been better to have current exemption system but not award cards on making cuts. Winning the tournament or making enough money playing exemptions to get the card at the end of the season would have been much better. That way the best web.com players will be playing Euro/PGA most of the time anyway, but still need to perform to stay there at the end of the season. Making a cut is a bit lenient. Nothing wrong with having the level of play in the top flight of Web.com being very close to the top tours either, just as it is IRL.
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 22, 2015 17:26:57 GMT -5
Seriously folks, this is a good thing. It allows a lot more flexibility for players to play courses that cater to their strengths and likes. There is no minimum number of times you have to play over on the EURO side to qualify. If you win just ONE tournament on the PGA, you are invited to the PGA Championship and most likely many of the other majors. The FedEx tournament is based on points, if you have gained enough points in a few plays, you have still earned your way there. That is the beauty of the point system, win, play well you are in quicker than if you don't.
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Post by misternic on Feb 22, 2015 17:55:23 GMT -5
Seriously folks, this is a good thing. It allows a lot more flexibility for players to play courses that cater to their strengths and likes. There is no minimum number of times you have to play over on the EURO side to qualify. If you win just ONE tournament on the PGA, you are invited to the PGA Championship and most likely many of the other majors. The FedEx tournament is based on points, if you have gained enough points in a few plays, you have still earned your way there. That is the beauty of the point system, win, play well you are in quicker than if you don't. I dont disagree with any of this, but it does shorten the number of players in the Race for Dubai and Fed Ex cups... potentially instead of 100 unique players on each tour (200 total), you could have the same 100 making up Fed Ex top 100 and Race for Dubai... I am thinking of playing more in Euro because I need to make more cuts and get more practice... I cant make a cut on the PGA right now (not complaining, more about my game than anything) and that is going to get harder as Web.com guys who are better than me earn cards. |
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 22, 2015 18:02:35 GMT -5
Seriously folks, this is a good thing. It allows a lot more flexibility for players to play courses that cater to their strengths and likes. There is no minimum number of times you have to play over on the EURO side to qualify. If you win just ONE tournament on the PGA, you are invited to the PGA Championship and most likely many of the other majors. The FedEx tournament is based on points, if you have gained enough points in a few plays, you have still earned your way there. That is the beauty of the point system, win, play well you are in quicker than if you don't. I dont disagree with any of this, but it does shorten the number of players in the Race for Dubai and Fed Ex cups... potentially instead of 100 unique players on each tour (200 total), you could have the same 100 making up Fed Ex top 100 and Race for Dubai... I am thinking of playing more in Euro because I need to make more cuts and get more practice... I cant make a cut on the PGA right now (not complaining, more about my game than anything) and that is going to get harder as Web.com guys who are better than me earn cards. I FULLY can understand this. The PGA is tougher, but to be honest I have really enjoyed many of the EURO tour courses better. I think we should strive to make both cuts, but you should make sure you make at least one  |
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Post by misternic on Feb 22, 2015 18:25:52 GMT -5
I agree you should strive to make both... my commentary is much more about the effects on TGCTour as a whole than my fate.
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Post by mcbogga on Feb 22, 2015 19:07:06 GMT -5
Starting to not like this change more and more after seeing Brighttails comment. Why should the player be able to choose baseed on their like or strenghts? Play the course presented. Why should Euro and PGA members have to live with an influx of players from another tour just because the course they play that week happens to be popular? Sometimes a course does not fit your eye. Live with it or overcome it.
Nic is right as well that the same payers will likely take top positions on both tours. Separation with two top tiers and simulating the dynamics of teh real pro tours was a great thing with TGCT, now it will likely be lost.
But again - this is a purist view. These tours set out to mimic the real pro golf tours - so lets keep the integrety and do that. It has worked beautifully so far but now consessions that risk the future of that vision are starting to creep in.
Being conformist usually leads to a bland result... Lets not make this just another gaming leauge with some fancy names slapped on.
Comments may come off a bit harsh, but in no way am I critizizing the team here. Just want to make my point as clear as possible.
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Post by dlw1964 on Feb 22, 2015 19:29:20 GMT -5
I only plan on crossing the pond one time this year and that's to play the Open Championship (British Open).
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Post by Doyley on Feb 22, 2015 19:50:14 GMT -5
The change was made due to the fact we don't have time to implement a system to keep track of crossovers and prohibit people from signing up to the wrong tours etc (read: coding). Also, once people start bumping up against the limit - that will be a whole new round of issues I would need to deal with as the main guy behind the commish emails - which I am not able to take on as the current crop of verifying/registration/Q-school emails are taking up plenty of my free time. So while it may not be pure realism, it's more to keep the admin staff functioning outside of TGC Tours (read: happy wife=happy life).
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Post by Brighttail on Feb 22, 2015 19:56:15 GMT -5
The change was made due to the fact we don't have time to implement a system to keep track of crossovers and prohibit people from signing up to the wrong tours etc (read: coding). Also, once people start bumping up against the limit - that will be a whole new round of issues I would need to deal with as the main guy behind the commish emails - which I am not able to take on as the current crop of verifying/registration/Q-school emails are taking up plenty of my free time. So while it may not be pure realism, it's more to keep the admin staff functioning outside of TGC Tours (read: happy wife=happy life). Yeah you all have enough work to do without dealing with this |
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Post by mcbogga on Feb 22, 2015 21:49:52 GMT -5
Totally get that Doyley! We need to start paying for this so you can hire a bunch of virtual assistants....
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2015 22:16:30 GMT -5
Seems to me it's keeping the spirit of both tours being equal, I like it.
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Post by misternic on Feb 22, 2015 23:34:08 GMT -5
Yes, I dont want to convey that I am against this. In fact I may spend more of the rest of the year playing Euro..
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