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Post by kvand on Jun 27, 2019 16:48:26 GMT -5
Getting ready to do Scioto Country Club. It's located in Upper Arlington and is where Jack Nicklaus played as a kid. Most of you may already know this... So anyway, I remember chadgolf mentioning in his Lidar tutorial video that Ohio was a bit challenging for Lidar and need the ESPG codes. I looked on Spatial reference and found a few codes. Since I haven't mapped anything on OSM as of yet, I wanted to try and see if I could get it to work on my own, so I used Muirfield Village as a practice run (disclaimer>>> I have NO intentions of doing Muirfield, as Iknow it has already been done) and not able to get it to work. For Muirfield I used EPSG:3637: NAD83(NSRS2007) / Ohio North...and also tried EPSG:2835: NAD83(HARN) / Ohio South. The program started to run, I was able to draw the box and then continue to run. That is where I'm not sure. It took forever to get anything on the 2835 code, when it did produce a height map, there was barely anything visible just very shaded areas. The 3637 code stood idle for at least 10 minutes after drawing the box and continuing, so I cleared out. Is there something else I should be doing, or perhaps using a different ESPG? |
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Post by chadgolf on Jun 27, 2019 17:20:19 GMT -5
I'd recommend you wait until later this year or next year for better lidar data.
The 2006 data isn't great, it's hard to use, and other than famous courses, probably isn't worth the skill and time involved to polish it up. That being said, there's two collections "Ohio South" and "Ohio North". Don't mix data between the two collections. Ohio South is in... Ohio South US Ft 3735. Ohio North is in Ohio North Us Ft 3734
There's 2011 data for Columbus provided by the state of Ohio, but you have to pay for it and isn't significantly better quality,
The department of homeland security did some kind of bonkers formatting/in 2011 as well, but the data again isn't significantly better quality and it's going to be so complicated to use that I won't be able to walk you through it.
Finally, it says that there's a 2019 data collection happening/happened that will meet quality standards and be on the National Map sometime. You can probably find out who is doing the collection and call them/try to get the data earlier.
2019 Columbus OH Lidar
DATA SET NAME 2019 Columbus OH Lidar
DATA ACCESS Will be available at The National Map
METADATA ACCESS Will be available at The National Map
COLLECTION DATE 2019
QUALITY LEVEL 1
MEETS 3DEP Expected to meet
REASON DATA DOES/DOES NOT MEET 3DEP QL2 or better quality lidar data with USGS Base Spec v1.2 products
PROJECT STATUS In Progress
RESTRICTIONS Public
DATA TYPE Lidar-Topo
VERTICAL ACCURACY 10 cm (spec)
HORIZONTAL ACCURACY Not Provided
POINT SPACING 0.35 m (spec)
VERTICAL DATUM NAVD88
HORIZONTAL DATUM NAD83
PRODUCTS AVAILABLE TBD
NOTES GPSC, QL0
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Post by kvand on Jun 27, 2019 18:59:13 GMT -5
I'd recommend you wait until later this year or next year for better lidar data. The 2006 data isn't great, it's hard to use, and other than famous courses, probably isn't worth the skill and time involved to polish it up. That being said, there's two collections "Ohio South" and "Ohio North". Don't mix data between the two collections. Ohio South is in... Ohio South US Ft 3735. Ohio North is in Ohio North Us Ft 3734 There's 2011 data for Columbus provided by the state of Ohio, but you have to pay for it and isn't significantly better quality, The department of homeland security did some kind of bonkers formatting/in 2011 as well, but the data again isn't significantly better quality and it's going to be so complicated to use that I won't be able to walk you through it. Finally, it says that there's a 2019 data collection happening/happened that will meet quality standards and be on the National Map sometime. You can probably find out who is doing the collection and call them/try to get the data earlier. 2019 Columbus OH Lidar DATA SET NAME 2019 Columbus OH Lidar DATA ACCESS Will be available at The National Map METADATA ACCESS Will be available at The National Map COLLECTION DATE 2019 QUALITY LEVEL 1 MEETS 3DEP Expected to meet REASON DATA DOES/DOES NOT MEET 3DEP QL2 or better quality lidar data with USGS Base Spec v1.2 products PROJECT STATUS In Progress RESTRICTIONS Public DATA TYPE Lidar-Topo VERTICAL ACCURACY 10 cm (spec) HORIZONTAL ACCURACY Not Provided POINT SPACING 0.35 m (spec) VERTICAL DATUM NAVD88 HORIZONTAL DATUM NAD83 PRODUCTS AVAILABLE TBD NOTES GPSC, QL0 Thank you very much. I did see the 2011, OHIO and noticed that is was a pay for (I'll gladly wait for the free versions) I also saw the 2019. I'll keep an eye out for that...hopefully it works with a bit more ease. I may try and see if I can get it to work, with the EPSGs you referenced. For the near future, I can always get the mapping done on OSM. Of course, I do still have the Ivanhoe Prairie to finish up, so I'll keep plugging at that. Thanks again. |
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Post by kvand on Jun 28, 2019 19:14:13 GMT -5
I'd recommend you wait until later this year or next year for better lidar data. The 2006 data isn't great, it's hard to use, and other than famous courses, probably isn't worth the skill and time involved to polish it up. That being said, there's two collections "Ohio South" and "Ohio North". Don't mix data between the two collections. Ohio South is in... Ohio South US Ft 3735. Ohio North is in Ohio North Us Ft 3734 There's 2011 data for Columbus provided by the state of Ohio, but you have to pay for it and isn't significantly better quality, The department of homeland security did some kind of bonkers formatting/in 2011 as well, but the data again isn't significantly better quality and it's going to be so complicated to use that I won't be able to walk you through it. Finally, it says that there's a 2019 data collection happening/happened that will meet quality standards and be on the National Map sometime. You can probably find out who is doing the collection and call them/try to get the data earlier. 2019 Columbus OH Lidar DATA SET NAME 2019 Columbus OH Lidar DATA ACCESS Will be available at The National Map METADATA ACCESS Will be available at The National Map COLLECTION DATE 2019 QUALITY LEVEL 1 MEETS 3DEP Expected to meet REASON DATA DOES/DOES NOT MEET 3DEP QL2 or better quality lidar data with USGS Base Spec v1.2 products PROJECT STATUS In Progress RESTRICTIONS Public DATA TYPE Lidar-Topo VERTICAL ACCURACY 10 cm (spec) HORIZONTAL ACCURACY Not Provided POINT SPACING 0.35 m (spec) VERTICAL DATUM NAVD88 HORIZONTAL DATUM NAD83 PRODUCTS AVAILABLE TBD NOTES GPSC, QL0 I forgot to ask...is there a specific scale I should be running for this when the time comes? |
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Post by chadgolf on Jun 28, 2019 21:10:59 GMT -5
I don't know what you mean by scale, but always leave them default or blank. There's not a great reason to ever change either the game resolution or the lidar unit.
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Post by jacobkessler on Jun 28, 2019 21:37:43 GMT -5
Excellent choice for the course! I attended the 2016 US Senior Open at Scioto, so if you need any help with small details, shoot me a message!
2006 lidar is outdated for Scioto. I’m not sure how bad it is, but I know for sure that the 8th hole was completely remodeled for the 2016 US Sr. Open.
I personally haven't had any issues with ESPG in Ohio (aside from one minor issue up in New Albany)
Also, Scioto is technically in Upper Arlington, so while I assume Columbus's lidar covers it, I can’t be positive.
As Chad said, I think they’re doing collection this year so hopefully it’s added soon. And while I can’t guarantee this would be possible since I don’t know the area he surveys, a friend of mine does a lot of lidar collection for his company and takes requests within a certain area.
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Post by kvand on Jun 28, 2019 22:51:20 GMT -5
Excellent choice for the course! I attended the 2016 US Senior Open at Scioto, so if you need any help with small details, shoot me a message! 2006 lidar is outdated for Scioto. I’m not sure how bad it is, but I know for sure that the 8th hole was completely remodeled for the 2016 US Sr. Open. I personally haven't had any issues with ESPG in Ohio (aside from one minor issue up in New Albany) Also, Scioto is technically in Upper Arlington, so while I assume Columbus's lidar covers it, I can’t be positive. As Chad said, I think they’re doing collection this year so hopefully it’s added soon. And while I can’t guarantee this would be possible since I don’t know the area he surveys, a friend of mine does a lot of lidar collection for his company and takes requests within a certain area. Ahh, a fellow Ohioan!! So, I played around and finally figured it out. I was changing the scale at first and then went back to the standard 2.0. I did get it to work and the course pulled into the designer with no issues. I wanted to try it just so I know when the times comes for the 2019 Lidar, I could get it to work. The 2006 is very rough indeed. Not worth the time to do that much sculpting. If Muirfield was that rough, then Kudos to chadgolf for taking the time he did to get that course to look as good as he did in the game. I'll keep an eye out for the 2019 Lidar and have everything ready. I noticed that the course is very recently mapped in OSM, it was not as of when I made my first post to this forum about doing the course.(Unless I totally missed it). Whomever it was did a fairly good job. Probably more points than I would have and got a little to close to the edges on the bunkers and not close enough on the fairways and greens. but it can be fixed. for now, I'll keep working on Ivanhoe and Wynstone (my 2 current Lidar), which are up in the North Chicago suburb areas around Highland Park and Deerfield. I have the Forest and Marsh 18 published for Ivanhoe now. When the time comes, I will certainly take you up on the offer for some finer details. |
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Post by jacobkessler on Jun 28, 2019 23:34:34 GMT -5
Yeah, I’ve found that the 2006 stuff is hit or miss here in Ohio. I’ve seen some spot on lidar for Winding Hollow (course is no longer open  ) and Heritage Golf Club, but others, specifically courses like Muirfield Village and Scioto that have been redesigned since then (16 at MVGC and 8 at SCC), just aren’t usable. I haven’t checked the lidar on it yet, but I’m working on mapping Columbus CC on OSM as hosted the PGA back in 1964. Problem with the lidar on that is that even when the 2019 stuff comes in, they’ve been working on a big project with redoing all the bunkers and greens over the last few years so it’s hard to tell if it will be finished by the time they get that data in. Anyway, let me know if you pick it up again and I’ll be happy to give you any information I have! |
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Post by kvand on Jun 29, 2019 9:09:39 GMT -5
Yeah, I’ve found that the 2006 stuff is hit or miss here in Ohio. I’ve seen some spot on lidar for Winding Hollow (course is no longer open ) and Heritage Golf Club, but others, specifically courses like Muirfield Village and Scioto that have been redesigned since then (16 at MVGC and 8 at SCC), just aren’t usable. I haven’t checked the lidar on it yet, but I’m working on mapping Columbus CC on OSM as hosted the PGA back in 1964. Problem with the lidar on that is that even when the 2019 stuff comes in, they’ve been working on a big project with redoing all the bunkers and greens over the last few years so it’s hard to tell if it will be finished by the time they get that data in. Anyway, let me know if you pick it up again and I’ll be happy to give you any information I have! Oh my...forgot all about Winding Hollow. Such a shame that course is gone. My in-laws were members and it’s where my wife and I were married. That also reminds me of a little gem called Champions. It’s a Columbus public course now, but was the original Winding Hollow before they moved to New Albany. I have played both many times. Ohio needs to up their game with Lidar so we can get more Ohio courses in the game. I’m also looking at Michigan courses. I used to go on golf trips to Tree Tops up in Gaylord. The Rick Smith Signature Course is on of my favorites. Not sure about the Lidar up there though. |
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Post by jacobkessler on Jun 29, 2019 10:30:56 GMT -5
Yeah, I’ve found that the 2006 stuff is hit or miss here in Ohio. I’ve seen some spot on lidar for Winding Hollow (course is no longer open ) and Heritage Golf Club, but others, specifically courses like Muirfield Village and Scioto that have been redesigned since then (16 at MVGC and 8 at SCC), just aren’t usable. I haven’t checked the lidar on it yet, but I’m working on mapping Columbus CC on OSM as hosted the PGA back in 1964. Problem with the lidar on that is that even when the 2019 stuff comes in, they’ve been working on a big project with redoing all the bunkers and greens over the last few years so it’s hard to tell if it will be finished by the time they get that data in. Anyway, let me know if you pick it up again and I’ll be happy to give you any information I have! Oh my...forgot all about Winding Hollow. Such a shame that course is gone. My in-laws were members and it’s where my wife and I were married. That also reminds me of a little gem called Champions. It’s a Columbus public course now, but was the original Winding Hollow before they moved to New Albany. I have played both many times. Ohio needs to up their game with Lidar so we can get more Ohio courses in the game. I’m also looking at Michigan courses. I used to go on golf trips to Tree Tops up in Gaylord. The Rick Smith Signature Course is on of my favorites. Not sure about the Lidar up there though. Yeah, Champions is good as well. Unfortunately it’s not in the best part of town and as it’s a City course it isn’t maintained very well, but the design alone is nice. Winding Hollow turned public in 2007 (?) I think and pretty much went downhill from there. I’ve been working on it in-game and they have a major flooding issue, which without good drainage it could completely kill the course. But holes like 5 and 18 there were really neat designs and I’m hoping the planting doesn’t take too long on my version. I’m also looking at lidar for The Virtues (Longaberger). That course has some serious potential as a tournament course if you just add another set of tees. |
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Post by kvand on Jun 30, 2019 9:12:26 GMT -5
I don't know what you mean by scale, but always leave them default or blank. There's not a great reason to ever change either the game resolution or the lidar unit. I missed this...thank you for getting back. I did end up changing it back to 2.0. I wasn't sure is needed to change it to ft. (0.3048) due to the Lidar being in us ft. |
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Post by NobleMan on Jul 31, 2019 17:49:14 GMT -5
I have tried all the EPSG's I could find and nothing from open street pulls in, for Dublin Ohio. I have tried all of them from here and got nothing. Please advise. This is for the 2018 Data. |
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Post by jacobkessler on Aug 1, 2019 19:02:36 GMT -5
Ohio's EPSG seems to be weird in some places, normal in others. Dublin was no problem for me (working on The Club at Tartan Fields) and other local areas (specifically Hilliard) seem to be fine, but I was having issues with both Powell and New Albany (figured those out but they were so long ago I have no idea what the numbers were)
I don't specifically remember where I got the codes, but I remember there was one website from one of the state's .gov sites that had useful information. I'll get back to you if I can find it.
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) and Heritage Golf Club, but others, specifically courses like Muirfield Village and Scioto that have been redesigned since then (16 at MVGC and 8 at SCC), just aren’t usable. I haven’t checked the lidar on it yet, but I’m working on mapping Columbus CC on OSM as hosted the PGA back in 1964. Problem with the lidar on that is that even when the 2019 stuff comes in, they’ve been working on a big project with redoing all the bunkers and greens over the last few years so it’s hard to tell if it will be finished by the time they get that data in.
