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Post by NobleMan on May 5, 2019 10:42:26 GMT -5
Makefield Highlands is another great course in Bucks County PA. More of a links style layout, there are very few trees on the course but it can hand out a beating if your tempo is off and live in the rough all day! I have played this course in real life several times and enjoy it thoroughly. Give it a go and let me know what you think. This was a request by burysaints29 .
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Post by NobleMan on May 5, 2019 10:43:38 GMT -5
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Post by burysaints29 on May 7, 2019 13:24:51 GMT -5
Was able to get my first few rounds in last night, excellent job as usual! As someone who has played this course hundreds of times and knows it like the back of my hand I can say that it plays exactly like the course plays in real life. Awesome to have this course in the game!
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Post by NobleMan on May 7, 2019 16:59:13 GMT -5
Was able to get my first few rounds in last night, excellent job as usual! As someone who has played this course hundreds of times and knows it like the back of my hand I can say that it plays exactly like the course plays in real life. Awesome to have this course in the game! Thanks for the play through burysaints29 . It means a lot coming from you, when you actually worked at this course and played it many times!
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Post by hynodesigns on Jul 29, 2019 19:32:04 GMT -5
Kent, I have been designing Golf courses since 2004 for the TW PC game, I only joined this site to leave a comment on this course, cause I've played it in real life. Never seen anything like this in my life. The technology you are using blows my mind. The measurements, scale, hole layout and elevations are perfect. I think I was playing the fourth hole and was thinking how the heck does this guy know all the terrain workings and on hole 5 was the same. Than I watched your video on Lidar designing the 1st hole at Jericho National and it was beyond me. You didn't even have to drop bunkers and your program can tell tree sizes. Not to mention absolutely perfect layouts with spot on elevation. This is ground breaking material. I wish you could drop these course designs in to the TW game aka a blank TCA file.
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Post by NobleMan on Jul 30, 2019 9:54:01 GMT -5
I am glad you enjoyed the round hynodesigns . The technology is great and allows us to bring in the courses that we do play all the time or wish we could play. Unlike RCR's, this technology leaves no guess work on the exact terrain of the courses.
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Post by hynodesigns on Jul 30, 2019 11:41:20 GMT -5
Had a chance to test out PV. I don't know this game nor this course design tool. What I can say is this once you get to 7 the course goes out of whack. More than likely you don't know this course, building it blind it is not bad, however in my view, my words can be harsh it is horrible. For example the front bunker on 14 is not 6 feet deep or whatever you have it at. It is pretty much flat with the shore line than the front of the green is mounded about 4 feet up from the bunker. That bunker in real life is flat. Like on #5 that bunker in front of the green, 65 yards out is not really a bunker it is a cart path, made out of sand. In the game it is dropped as a bunker. So again like on 15 you blend the bunkers in to the road, coming down from 12. You have an asphalt road that runs through 7 to the left of 9 and down to the club house that road also runs to the right of 4. You also have a road on 1 and 2. This is missing from this course. You also don't have a house to the right of the 1st green in the woods. I thought the 3rd green was done well and the elevations on 2 and 3 were good. Hole 1 is sloping way to much right and the angle is off. Hole #4 is completely off, that is not and easy hole to create. On #6, you have a Pine Tree line that runs to about 40 yards short of the green side bunker, that is also the tree line to the left of 7. The planting on this was terrible. You also have no trees in the bunker right off of 6, you have a few scrub pines and bushes and a landmark bush that is about 140 to the front. Off the tee on 7, you have scrub bushes and just gorse bushes in real life and a sand path that runs down hole 6 and 7 tree line, and it ends at the road. The green on 7, the way it works, the grass bank is pretty much level with the end of the fairway and than raised up about 3 to 4 feet. The bunker is kind of dropped in to it. It runs around to the left about 85 percent of the green depth, than it is a grass hill. That bank is about 5 or 6 feet. The back bunker is also about 4 or 5 feet. The half acre is also raise up over the 2nd fairway it is about 4 feet above the fairway level. The 2nd fairway to the green is pretty much flat.
On #8 the tee shot is off, we are creating pictures and this does not look like the tee shot on 8. On 3 and 5, yes it looks like those holes. The fairway on 8 was really good and the way the left green sits. Hole 9 was poorly planted, the catchers mit bunker on the right side of the fairway is massive maybe 10 feet high, FYI. Than on both sides of 9 you have church pew bunkers. After the catchers mit on the right and after the break in the fairway on the left.
#10, 11 and 12 were bad. You have trees that block most of the view of 8 fairway going in to 11. You can see 8 but it is not naked. You don't have a tree on 12 blocking the tee shot from the members tees, The angle of the fairway is also off. #13 was the worst hole on the course and needs a ton of work. 17 the fairway is off. The yardage is correct and the end part of the fairway is also correct, but the tee shot look and terrain work is wrong. Up to the green is pretty good, but the slopes in the green are to hard to putt. Granted that green in real life is very sloped with a shelve on the right side and a green that slopes back to front pretty good. Remember 10.5 is normally the max speed of the greens at PV, even in the Crump, cause of the slopes. Everything I wrote is of the top of my head and what I saw it is how my crazy mind works.
I did the 7th hole at Pebble Beach for the AT&T event a few years back. They were playing the simulation next to the hole, I couldn't mess up a detail on it. Granted you can go overboard on details and hole information on Pine Valley is hard to find. The key to doing real courses is painting pictures. You paint the picture of the tee shot, than the 2nd shots. The way you paint these pictures is by planting the tree, bushes and ect. The garden work is the real secret to designing and making the person believe they are playing the real thing. I just happen to have about 500 pictures of PV and a private shot video of the course and have played it maybe 40 times,
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Post by hynodesigns on Jul 30, 2019 12:53:10 GMT -5
In closing to keep up with Augusta and the modern game, PV does projects every year. Not a fan of Jim Davis the club president, I think he has wrecked the course, from 4 h 20 minute rounds to removing a ton of the scrub bushes. I don't like the bunkers they put in to the right of 15. The new bunkers they put in a few years back looks terrible. From the back tees some of the carries are not fair. On 4 you need to hit it 290 to have a chance, 270 you hit the hill and than have 270 in to the green. #7 is 480 over the half acre in 2 shots. The carry on 16 is 260 over the bunker and about 253 on 18. The thing on 18 is this cause of the slope, you need to carry the ball about 285 to get over the ridge in the fairway to have 170 to 150 to the green if not you have 190 front and that is too hard to play that hole from. They blew up the house on 6, Ken Langone's house and put a new tee, they kind of needed that, #6 was driver wedge or 3 wood 8 or 9 iron from the backs.
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Post by NobleMan on Jul 30, 2019 16:53:36 GMT -5
You are correct hynodesigns, I have never even seen Pine Valley and the lidar data is from 2015, so if they have changed it since then, the changes will not be there. Considering you cannot even join the club unless the board approaches you, I don't think too many have seen the course . That is the one draw back of lidar. You are held hostage based on what year the lidar data is created. The Tri State area lidar is all from 2015. There are guys that do RCR's and spend months creating one course. I am not one of them.
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Post by Terry Grayson on Jul 30, 2019 17:33:16 GMT -5
Hey hynodesignsI have to ask! Did the club president kick your puppy in the face, lick the red off your candy or steal your girlfriend LOL Carry 0n gents
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Post by NobleMan on Jul 30, 2019 18:10:09 GMT -5
HaHa Terry. I was wondering about that myself...
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Post by gamesdecent on Jul 30, 2019 18:27:55 GMT -5
I just happen to have about 500 pictures of PV and a private shot video of the course and have played it maybe 40 times, Would you be willing to share these with me?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2019 18:30:18 GMT -5
I just happen to have about 500 pictures of PV and a private shot video of the course and have played it maybe 40 times,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 31, 2019 9:58:45 GMT -5
I just happen to have about 500 pictures of PV and a private shot video of the course and have played it maybe 40 times, Would you be willing to share these with me? In case you're wondering, Petty might be 'the person' for a Pine Valley RCR, if his version of Cypress Point Club is anything to go by.
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Post by hynodesigns on Aug 4, 2020 21:32:47 GMT -5
I just spent the last 45 minutes trying to figure out how to post pictures in this thread and I got no clue. Why can't you just click upload an image?
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