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Post by ezzinomilonga on Sept 9, 2019 17:43:51 GMT -5
There are various nuances in this switch. Bad and good.
For example, first of all consider that if you play with a Xbox, you'll suffer more easily for issues about tempo.
Conversely, if you are a PS user, you'll have a slight advantage on this.
So said, the most obvious difference is the tighter cone. And as other guys said, especially on putter it can be really a tragedy.
And even in the short game, of course. But the issues with the tighter cone can be (at least partially) solved working the best you can on a good, consistent and very firm position about how you seat and how you grab the controller. Every hour spent on this can be gold, trust me.
Ah..other difficulty: The lie of your ball has a bigger impact on your shot (if is above or below your feet, I mean). And this will require some study to deal with, but of course is something possible to manage.
But the bad news actually ends here.
The more noticeable good news, when you switch on master clubs are actually two. The first is, quite obvious thing, that the increased distance will allow you to use really often short irons for your approaches..and this is a great thing. Especially with firm greens this can change your round.
But another thing often not enough mentioned about the switch, is that when you play with master clubs, your ball has a good amount of spin, way bigger than using pro clubs.
And this is ridiculously clear in the short game, mainly on flop shots and pitches..but actually on every shot with every club. The ball is easier to stop. Always. No counting the fact that flop is absolutely broken with pro clubs. The lie matters actually zero. The fly is always the same. With master clubs the distance's control is another planet.
Definitely, the change to master clubs is harder. But is manageable.
If I could give you just an advice, if you make the switch and you want to master this clubs, then just forget about pro clubs. Cause obviously is possible to play well with both of them, but is really really hard to manage properly all the nuances of both clubs, switching too often between them.
I mean..when you'll reach a good level of control and understanding with a kind of clubs, you'll notice that sometimes you could need to have a voluntary fast backswing to gain some yard (cause the fast or slow backswing, causes minimal deviation on the ball, while is huge doing the same on downswing)..or a slight fast or slow on your downswing. All this things are possible to obtain with good continuity, but the "window" for a correct shot is really, really tiny. The continue switch between pro and master clubs could make simply impossible to understand every time where exactly that windows is.
Just to make a stupid example..with pro clubs my "standard" swing from the tee is a backswing with the arrow almost at the end of the blue line 1 inch before the fast..and almost EXACTLY between the perfect and the fast downswing. All this to maximize distance. And it works quite good. But when I switch to master clubs, that same identical swing became an almost fast backswing and a fast downswing.
So..probably the best thing to do if you really want to master any kind of clubs, and not simply to use it..is just to choose one of them and practice with never change anymore, at all.
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Post by OldSouled on Sept 30, 2019 17:01:43 GMT -5
Just played a couple rounds on European Tour for "fun" with master clubs. It's about the 5th time I've given masters a try and every time I just end up laughing the whole time. It's a joke. I will literally watch my controller as I bring the stick back and forward perfectly straight and still my straight line is on the left edge of the blue line everytime. So, I have to pull down and to the right everytime in order to get a line that gets in the blue, but then it's a crooked line in the blue. Seems so dumb to me. How does someone that gets 95% p/p with pro clubs get vf/s/s/f/vf/s on almost every swing?....And not consistently one or the other. It's something different every time. I get that the masters are more sensitive, but when it's all the way on very fast it just seems odd to me. Sometimes I even try practicing with a metronome and the same thing happens. Makes me think I must be garbage and pro clubs are actually beginner clubs and they need a new set of clubs between the pro and master. How can someone that is successful in CC-A not even break even with masters? The bummer part is that I now really don't have anything to reach for in CC-A because a promotion forces me to play with master clubs. Yeehaw.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2019 20:41:44 GMT -5
Just played a couple rounds on European Tour for "fun" with master clubs. It's about the 5th time I've given masters a try and every time I just end up laughing the whole time. It's a joke. I will literally watch my controller as I bring the stick back and forward perfectly straight and still my straight line is on the left edge of the blue line everytime. So, I have to pull down and to the right everytime in order to get a line that gets in the blue, but then it's a crooked line in the blue. Seems so dumb to me. How does someone that gets 95% p/p with pro clubs get vf/s/s/f/vf/s on almost every swing?....And not consistently one or the other. It's something different every time. I get that the masters are more sensitive, but when it's all the way on very fast it just seems odd to me. Sometimes I even try practicing with a metronome and the same thing happens. Makes me think I must be garbage and pro clubs are actually beginner clubs and they need a new set of clubs between the pro and master. How can someone that is successful in CC-A not even break even with masters? The bummer part is that I now really don't have anything to reach for in CC-A because a promotion forces me to play with master clubs. Yeehaw. The biggest problem is that you play on Xbox. Larry Malone did some research on all the platforms and had some pretty revealing results. The tittle of his thread is " Is PS4 actually "easier"? Statistical analysis of Q School" and it is in the clubhouse section. It is very interesting reading. One tip I can give you is to try and use as little pressure as you can on the thumbstick. Worry about the tempo more than the blue swing plane line. You want to have a smooth rhythm (same speed on the backswing and downswing). Some people recommend turning the shot feedback off on the practice range and concentrate on the feel of the swing. If the ball goes to the left you had a fast downswing and to the right its a slow downswing. It takes a lot of practice for sure. Good luck if you decide to keep trying with the Master clubs. |
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Post by OldSouled on Sept 30, 2019 21:28:05 GMT -5
Just played a couple rounds on European Tour for "fun" with master clubs. It's about the 5th time I've given masters a try and every time I just end up laughing the whole time. It's a joke. I will literally watch my controller as I bring the stick back and forward perfectly straight and still my straight line is on the left edge of the blue line everytime. So, I have to pull down and to the right everytime in order to get a line that gets in the blue, but then it's a crooked line in the blue. Seems so dumb to me. How does someone that gets 95% p/p with pro clubs get vf/s/s/f/vf/s on almost every swing?....And not consistently one or the other. It's something different every time. I get that the masters are more sensitive, but when it's all the way on very fast it just seems odd to me. Sometimes I even try practicing with a metronome and the same thing happens. Makes me think I must be garbage and pro clubs are actually beginner clubs and they need a new set of clubs between the pro and master. How can someone that is successful in CC-A not even break even with masters? The bummer part is that I now really don't have anything to reach for in CC-A because a promotion forces me to play with master clubs. Yeehaw. The biggest problem is that you play on Xbox. Larry Malone did some research on all the platforms and had some pretty revealing results. The tittle of his thread is " Is PS4 actually "easier"? Statistical analysis of Q School" and it is in the clubhouse section. It is very interesting reading. One tip I can give you is to try and use as little pressure as you can on the thumbstick. Worry about the tempo more than the blue swing plane line. You want to have a smooth rhythm (same speed on the backswing and downswing). Some people recommend turning the shot feedback off on the practice range and concentrate on the feel of the swing. If the ball goes to the left you had a fast downswing and to the right its a slow downswing. It takes a lot of practice for sure. Good luck if you decide to keep trying with the Master clubs. Thank you! That gives me something to practice. After playing a few more rounds I am finding that I get fast most often compared to all outputs, and can rarely get slow. I will use your suggestions on the range. |
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Post by OldSouled on Sept 30, 2019 22:16:29 GMT -5
I just shot -6 on 1st round of Korn Ferry. Thanks coach!
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Post by redrhinoceros on Oct 1, 2019 1:39:19 GMT -5
I just shot -6 on 1st round of Korn Ferry. Thanks coach! keep trying , it just clicks after a while |
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Post by bruce on Nov 7, 2019 12:39:30 GMT -5
I normally always use beginner clubs and was quite satisfied. I figured what the heck I'll give the Masters clubs a try. As far as I'm concerned it just isn't very realistic. It makes par 4's almost into par 3's. I actually drove greens on Par 4 holes, which to me just seems wrong. Since the second shot was much shorter If you didn't make the green, it was much easier getting close. All par 5's were now reachable in two shots. I went straight back to beginner clubs, not because there easier, but to me more realistic.
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Post by lessthanbread on Nov 7, 2019 14:15:03 GMT -5
I normally always use beginner clubs and was quite satisfied. I figured what the heck I'll give the Masters clubs a try. As far as I'm concerned it just isn't very realistic. It makes par 4's almost into par 3's. I actually drove greens on Par 4 holes, which to me just seems wrong. Since the second shot was much shorter If you didn't make the green, it was much easier getting close. All par 5's were now reachable in two shots. I went straight back to beginner clubs, not because there easier, but to me more realistic.
I guess it depends on the course length. Many RCRs will feel that way because yes, the master clubs are really long and you’ll play like Rory or early years Tiger. Sometimes RCR designers will add an extra long tee for that reason. A lot of fictional courses released will have much longer tee lengths, close to 8,000 yards. You’ll probably enjoy those more |
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Post by bruce on Nov 8, 2019 9:44:43 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong I enjoyed the course long or short, some really fantastic work here from everyone as far as courses go. I tried them again last night on the PC again, and I just seem to run out of mousepad, its just not long enough. My mouse literally went off the pad a few times.
Even at 100% sensitivity I thought that might help, but all that does is screw up my putting.
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Post by neilwilkes on Nov 12, 2019 7:51:41 GMT -5
i know i'm in the minority here..but I love the difficulty of the MC. I actually wish it was harder. Im hoping they come up with a more difficult way to play on the next game, maybe having to use both joysticks.. I play many rounds against ghost rounds and see guys hit 14 fairways and 18 greens. it's not realistic. i know people enjoy a more "arcade" experience,but for me, i look for a more realistic experience. matter of fact, on all full swings i intentionally hit a fade or a draw because that's how i play in real life. there are no straight shots in Golf. I really like this idea of being able to use the second joystick for loft & draw/fade control rather than the current loft box. It's been Master Bats for me since day 1 - and it gets better with practise. |
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Post by andy6467 on Dec 4, 2019 12:40:29 GMT -5
After playing masters clubs for over a year, I downgraded to pro clubs. It's a huge difference. Granted, losing the 20-40 yards off the tee puts me in tougher spots for my approach shot but I have reduced the number of "very fast" downswings from approximately 6 per round to maybe 1 per round at most.
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Post by dreagleg on Dec 16, 2019 5:53:33 GMT -5
What are the advtanges of using Master Clubs in tours other than the Korn Ferry and PGA where you HAVE to use them? Would using Master clubs somehow help get you promoted?
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Post by lessangster on Dec 16, 2019 6:15:51 GMT -5
I normally always use beginner clubs and was quite satisfied. I figured what the heck I'll give the Masters clubs a try. As far as I'm concerned it just isn't very realistic. It makes par 4's almost into par 3's. I actually drove greens on Par 4 holes, which to me just seems wrong. Since the second shot was much shorter If you didn't make the green, it was much easier getting close. All par 5's were now reachable in two shots. I went straight back to beginner clubs, not because there easier, but to me more realistic.
Are you playing if the red tees though in which case masters would make the course significantly easier. |
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Post by sandsaver01 on Dec 16, 2019 8:15:57 GMT -5
What are the advtanges of using Master Clubs in tours other than the Korn Ferry and PGA where you HAVE to use them? Would using Master clubs somehow help get you promoted? The only advantage beside increased distance and spin is that only the top 10 Masters and Pro players receive advancement marks, and there are usually a lot more Pro players than Masters. As an example a couple tourneys back I was 31st overall but fifth in Masters players, so I got an advancement mark. |
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Post by dime5150 on Dec 16, 2019 16:31:23 GMT -5
I switched to Masters for tournament play two weeks ago. The way I find consistency is to not try to hit it dead straight. I typically swing out to in, resulting in a pull. I aim my shot accordingly and its way way more consistent. I am well north of 90% for both FIR and GIR. Trying to hit it dead straight, and a slight error results in a huge miss, especially with a slow or fast downswing. Playing the pull is infinitely more consistent.
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