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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2019 14:00:23 GMT -5
Might as well try to finish up Eastward Ho. gheebuttersnaps started it so maybe ask him for the course file? He dropped it in exchange for The Alotian Club. I can dig up the file. happy to pass it over. interesting course but a lot of alignment issues so i didn't feel it was worth the effort. Oh darn, that is a pain. Which image did you use on OSM for it? |
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Post by lawman1474 on May 1, 2019 14:19:36 GMT -5
La Costa Resort & Spa.. place has 2 courses, but the Pros play on the Champions Course
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Post by ddixjr509 on May 1, 2019 15:02:03 GMT -5
World Woods (Pine Barrens) in Brooksville, FL would be a good LiDAR candidate.
Always listed on the Most beautiful course list, but never gets the attention it deserves.
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Post by NobleMan on May 1, 2019 19:26:32 GMT -5
Thanks Kent!! Cant wait to go home and tee it up! It is finished and published. Let me know what you think! The course is The Ace Club (Lidar) |
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Post by NobleMan on May 3, 2019 15:37:34 GMT -5
I will be doing Makefield Highlands next. I am going to continue on courses that are in the South Eastern PA area, particularly Bucks County and surrounding areas. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 15:29:49 GMT -5
In case the requests ever run dry consider Applebrook, Neshanic Valley, maybe Royce Brook (they have 2 courses), maybe Due Process Stable, Bidermann, Dupont CC Dupont course?
Or now that Maryland has data I might want to make a request since I'm booked up for the next month or so with Canyata and Black Rock:
That request is Anne Arundell Mannor (Polling House Rd, Harwood MD) designed by Arthur Hills as a personal course for Albert Lord. It looks like a tough one with all the bunkering but it would be an arms race between that and Canyata for the 'most exclusive golf course playable in a video game.' Since the course was apparently built to be 'better than Augusta' the guy might be a bit of a narcissist, in which case maybe it's best not to use the course's real name in the title? Perfecet Golf did this at first to prevent legal issues with TPC Boston and Sebonack iirc.
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Post by NobleMan on May 11, 2019 23:10:32 GMT -5
Working on Canyata right now... 750 dollars will get you a round there, excluding meals and a caddie!  |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 23:28:16 GMT -5
Working on Canyata right now... 750 dollars will get you a round there, excluding meals and a caddie! Haha fun! Canyata will turn out nicely. I got 10 holes complete so far. It's a tedious go since the image quality is so blurry no matter what you choose, so I ended up choosing digitalglobe Standard. It's really hard to see most of the greens with that image so I was switching to Premium for the greens and then moving them to line up correctly with Standard.
EDIT: Oh snap, you finished it up! Did you use that same image? If not we might have some issues, or you can move the shapes around a bit. Do you want to finish it from there or do you want me to do it? Anne Arundell Mannor is the course I wasn't sure I wanted to do as it has some odd shaded stuff. Part of the reason OSM takes me so long is that I check everything with google earth to make sure the shapes are nailed, so that all the wavy fairway edges are right where they should be.
If you don't mind I might prefer to take it from where it is, just since I have my own perfectionistic approach. But if that's what we do I would 100% credit you for the OSM. I just don't want this course to disappoint after Jasna being a hit, I want it to be top 5 lidar course so far which it easily has potential to be. Do you think you'd be at all interested in turning Canyata into a collab project? There are A LOT of eye candy things on this course that are pretty difficult to nail as well which I have very little experience with. If you're the same way with that I could see this being a 3-way collab. That would be...interesting to say the least.
If you have not played TPC Jasna Polana yet feel free to do so. The end result very much exceeded my expectations going into it...aside from the stupid back tee box on hole 8 that just wouldn't look quite right no matter what I tried. I probably spent 20-30min trying things and eventually threw in the towel on it. There are still some places with very subtle but existent alignment issues and I will try to address that on future courses before digging into the bunker-refining stage (pun intended?). I did my best to sculpt things to fix it, so most people won't notice any of that. If you want to try to find something out of place, I challenge you to find one single mismatch in these pictures discounting eye candy stuff except for the two bunkers in front of the 16th green and the 8th hole back tee. These small errors mean it's technically not "clv quality" but the vast majority of people who play the course might think it is. Everyone who reads this and then plays the course will look for those two things and they will stick out like a sore thumb www.myphillygolf.com/uploads/bausch/JasnaPolana/index.html these pics inspired the theme choice for it
Btw, if you're ever looking for reference pics to help with what the actual course looks like, myphillygolf is an amazing source that has a pretty unbelievable course list...with several pictures per hole for almost every single one of those. If I had found that in time for Engineers the end result would've been far more accurate.
The opening and closing 2-3 holes on each nine are just as good as what you'd find at The Ace Club and Manhattan Woods (another private Gary Player course) but it has some holes in the middle of each nine that drop the ball. Funny thing is I was actually deciding between Ace Club and Jasna Polana: Ace Club is the better course but my mind was set on Jasna.
All that said, for Canyata we need to decide on a green complex approach to use. I happen to think the 'fairway all the way around the green' one works best. It looks so...perfect that way. Jasna was my test ground for that method and it worked like a charm. It melds into the fringe almost seamlessly to my eye and brings it to the right irl width, especially since for some reason it looked like increasing the fringe width inside the TGC designer eats into green real estate a bit. I don't like how it can add light rough which sometimes has some issues with bunkers, but apart from Engineers which actually has fairway around the greens and the occasional bunker that's so tight to the putting surface it should be a non-issue. I just stamp the splines right on the green ones. Sometimes it adds an extra spline or two in-game which makes it look inconsistent in spots, but that took maybe 30 seconds per green max to fix, or probably around 10min for the entire course. It does take slightly longer in OSM to draw it that way but with the fringe space being consistent yet tight around most modern courses' greens the look works really well and I'd encourage you to play around with it if you haven't before. While I have my opinion here it's more important that we pick one way and stick to it so that it ends up being consistent.
One other quesition: on the interagency site it says the lidar data is 2011 so I started with that, but on TNM it says it's from 2014 and published in 2016-17 or so. Any idea which it is? When I first imported 6 holes to check the data quality I had not gotten to any holes with bunker discrepancies in question: just the par 13 (12th I believe) with bunkers that were added after 2014, so those were obvious to omit. There's an extra bunker on 18 in front of the green and also that one on 6 that was extended sometime in 2013. 2016 has two extra bunkers on 18 and a few more on one of the back nine par 3s. This is something we might as well figure out if you have not already.
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Post by NobleMan on May 12, 2019 7:21:06 GMT -5
We can colab. I will leave it to your to sline! We will have to get on discord to discuss. Yea I added the two bunkers on one of the holes you did...
I did have to change the east to west and align the lidar data up to the contours.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 9:33:24 GMT -5
Sounds good! Looking forward to it.
Based on 6 holes I imported to check data quality it looked like a stunner of a layout! The lineup error was pretty noticeable as well but it appeared to be consistently in the same direction, so it shouldn't really be an issue.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2019 10:56:28 GMT -5
If possible, Shadow Creek in Las Vegas. Where Tiger and Phil played their head to head match last November. I think this would be an awesome course for TGC2019. I'm not sure if it has Lidar data though.
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Post by lessthanbread on May 12, 2019 16:17:15 GMT -5
If you have time,
Columbia Golf Club in Minneapolis, MN
Great elevation changes throughout including a massive downhill tee shot that feels like it’s about 100 ft
It’s a public city course so not dressed up with crazy planting or anything
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Post by mrolly24 on May 13, 2019 9:18:18 GMT -5
- West Chase Golf Club, Brownsburg, IN (My Home Course)
- Wolf Run Golf Club, Zionsville, IN (Worked there, data might not be there anymore as the club has closed, but still worth a shot.)
- Carolina Golf Club, Charlotte, NC (My new job out of college)
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2019 9:28:52 GMT -5
If you have time, Columbia Golf Club in Minneapolis, MN Great elevation changes throughout including a massive downhill tee shot that feels like it’s about 100 ft It’s a public city course so not dressed up with crazy planting or anything This course does have LIDAR available and also has a decent OSM map. If someone wants to do the mapping, I will add this to my projects for the summer |
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Post by gregfordyce on May 20, 2019 9:36:52 GMT -5
I've always wanted to see Oak Run Golf Course in Dahinda, Illinois as a Lidar/RCR. It's a really great muni not far from my home, and I've played it a couple of times. Oak Run Golf CourseThanks! |
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