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Post by bassman70 on Apr 16, 2019 12:34:14 GMT -5
I only know how to do full swing. I have never tried short...never will...that's just me. To the guys who can do that, I think they're pretty awesome to be honest. I think it's much harder to do that short swing thing.
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Post by classact147 on Apr 16, 2019 12:34:47 GMT -5
Quite a few PS4 users struggle with tempo also, especially when playing without usb. So it's not just PC and XBOX players who have their struggles. I'm PS4 and use usb (without it it's a complete clusterf#ck experience) but it's forever popping out and losing connection so I have that to deal with. Anyway, -8 R1 and -11 R2 including an eagle 2 with my trusty 5 hybrid. Not liking the look of R3 with hurricane winds. Plays into the hands of the dreaded wind clickers.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Apr 16, 2019 12:44:22 GMT -5
Quite a few PS4 users struggle with tempo also, especially when playing without usb. So it's not just PC and XBOX players who have their struggles. I'm PS4 and use usb (without it it's a complete clusterf#ck experience) but it's forever popping out and losing connection so I have that to deal with. That's a "1st world problems" type of issue.
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Post by SebulbaDingid on Apr 16, 2019 12:59:45 GMT -5
Quite a few PS4 users struggle with tempo also, especially when playing without usb. So it's not just PC and XBOX players who have their struggles. I'm PS4 and use usb (without it it's a complete clusterf#ck experience) but it's forever popping out and losing connection so I have that to deal with. Anyway, -8 R1 and -11 R2 including an eagle 2 with my trusty 5 hybrid. Not liking the look of R3 with hurricane winds. Plays into the hands of the dreaded wind clickers. Does the USB in or out really affect anything? I feel like I play the same either way
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Post by Kenny on Apr 16, 2019 15:13:44 GMT -5
It feels at times like the tempo swing has taken away from the game rather than compliment it...too many having issues...remember in TGC1 when you just hoped to get a 100% swing? I just find tempo baffling, I swing with two thumbs and can get perfect perfect most times but the line is rarely straight, sometimes left, sometimes right, sometimes straight. If I try to swing with one thumb, guaranteed slow, or very slow downswing every time.
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 16, 2019 16:54:40 GMT -5
Going to need 2 really solid rounds to bring it home to a respectable finish, but with the gap between ps4 and us "others" seemingly growing by the week, I'm not really sure how to evaluate my finishes these days. In the last few weeks I too am seeing a significant rise in missed tempo shots on PC that I just cannot wrap my brain around. Normally if I missed a tempo it was with a slow downswing, then suddenly a couple weeks ago, I'm getting fast downswings. I could count the number of fast downswings I have had since the last patch on one hand up to then, but now... it quite literally feels that I have no feel for the tempo much of the time. Like others have said here, it is like there is no in between, fast or slow and getting three shots p/p in a row is a treat. Over the weekend I went over a friend who has a PS4 and plays the game and I swear it is night and day with the swing. I don't use controllers so my white line was all over the place but tempo? I was nailing it 90-95% of the time, I didn't even have to try or concentrate. I was even able to hit those fast/fast shots I keep hearing about a good percentage of the time. It is literally night and day between the two.
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Post by classact147 on Apr 16, 2019 17:52:24 GMT -5
Quite a few PS4 users struggle with tempo also, especially when playing without usb. So it's not just PC and XBOX players who have their struggles. I'm PS4 and use usb (without it it's a complete clusterf#ck experience) but it's forever popping out and losing connection so I have that to deal with. Anyway, -8 R1 and -11 R2 including an eagle 2 with my trusty 5 hybrid. Not liking the look of R3 with hurricane winds. Plays into the hands of the dreaded wind clickers. Does the USB in or out really affect anything? I feel like I play the same either way ..... It does with mine. Without usb even chipping can give a very fast downswing for example.
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Post by mrohde4 on Apr 16, 2019 20:16:52 GMT -5
Not wanting to alarm you Bob, but here goes... Your scores aren't up on the board. Other notable absentees that usually play early are Rob Rgason (again) and Ben Schell (again) Yep, I am aware. I got the API email yesterday morning. My R2 didn't pass as I had too many clustered shots in one area. Am working with them and trying another Dualshock 4 I have for backup to see if that makes a difference in another Society event or if I need to change up how I swing altogether.
TST Masters last week I was out of the cone/channel on the right side more than usual, so when I played this event I was paying closer attention to that. No reason to change anything. This was probably just an anomaly. No harm in flying too close to the sun.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 23:43:40 GMT -5
Over the weekend I went over a friend who has a PS4 and plays the game and I swear it is night and day with the swing. I don't use controllers so my white line was all over the place but tempo? I was nailing it 90-95% of the time, I didn't even have to try or concentrate. This is word for word my experience since getting a PS4 this week. Just played my ultra sim rounds on PC because I play those settings for sim enjoyment and prefer the superior visuals, but I reckon I had at least 8 bad tempos per round there, feels like you're walking on a tightrope by comparison. On PS4 I think I've been averaging <1 bad downswing tempo per round. It's almost effortless. My swing line is far, far wonkier on PS4 than on PC, but the tempo easily compensates for this and my average proximity has shot right down even with a wonky swing. The only really detrimental part for my scoring is my putting has taken a nosedive, in large part because I don't feel confident enough in keeping it in the cone so it's too risky to play for my usual firm putts. The other factor with putting for me is that distance control is tougher, I'm wondering if that's because of the lower frame rate so I can't quite match up the initial putter movement with the counting method in my head. Hopefully I can work out a solution on putting soon, but even despite that my scoring is lower on PS4 just because I'm not losing so many strokes from bad tempos.
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Post by SMIFFYLFC79 on Apr 17, 2019 0:21:55 GMT -5
Lets all bombard HB Forum and petition for TGC1 swing to be brought back.
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Post by fadgewacker on Apr 17, 2019 2:07:47 GMT -5
This is word for word my experience since getting a PS4 this week. Just played my ultra sim rounds on PC because I play those settings for sim enjoyment and prefer the superior visuals, but I reckon I had at least 8 bad tempos per round there, feels like you're walking on a tightrope by comparison. On PS4 I think I've been averaging <1 bad downswing tempo per round. It's almost effortless. My swing line is far, far wonkier on PS4 than on PC, but the tempo easily compensates for this and my average proximity has shot right down even with a wonky swing. The only really detrimental part for my scoring is my putting has taken a nosedive, in large part because I don't feel confident enough in keeping it in the cone so it's too risky to play for my usual firm putts. The other factor with putting for me is that distance control is tougher, I'm wondering if that's because of the lower frame rate so I can't quite match up the initial putter movement with the counting method in my head. Hopefully I can work out a solution on putting soon, but even despite that my scoring is lower on PS4 just because I'm not losing so many strokes from bad tempos. Flick your putts mate. I found that early doors, which then led me to see if the putt swing worked with the full swing, which it did, then that was API alert worthy during tests so I went back to a full swing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 5:55:03 GMT -5
This is word for word my experience since getting a PS4 this week. Just played my ultra sim rounds on PC because I play those settings for sim enjoyment and prefer the superior visuals, but I reckon I had at least 8 bad tempos per round there, feels like you're walking on a tightrope by comparison. On PS4 I think I've been averaging <1 bad downswing tempo per round. It's almost effortless. My swing line is far, far wonkier on PS4 than on PC, but the tempo easily compensates for this and my average proximity has shot right down even with a wonky swing. The only really detrimental part for my scoring is my putting has taken a nosedive, in large part because I don't feel confident enough in keeping it in the cone so it's too risky to play for my usual firm putts. The other factor with putting for me is that distance control is tougher, I'm wondering if that's because of the lower frame rate so I can't quite match up the initial putter movement with the counting method in my head. Hopefully I can work out a solution on putting soon, but even despite that my scoring is lower on PS4 just because I'm not losing so many strokes from bad tempos. Flick your putts mate. I found that early doors, which then led me to see if the putt swing worked with the full swing, which it did, then that was API alert worthy during tests so I went back to a full swing. And face the wrath of the pitchfork mob?? I'm already a Wind Clicker™ and USB-cabler™, being a Putt-Flicker™ will send them over the edge! In all seriousness I actually tried flicking with my DS4 when I first got it, literally letting it go so it bounces up itself from the rebound, the result was not only very fast tempo, but almost the very 9 o'clock edge of very fast every time. Reminded me of a post sloaner made a while back that doing this will teach you something about how tempo works, and it's confirmed what I've always suspected, i.e. that tempo is measured around the beginning of your downswing, not the entire movement. Putts don't have tempo though so that flick method might work, is it arrow straight though? If so it's a non-starter, I see the admins have season-banned 2 straight-putters in the past few weeks, can you imagine paying £300 for a brand new PS4 and full rip-off price TGC19 only to get season-banned for putt-flicking lol
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Apr 17, 2019 6:59:32 GMT -5
On the topic of tempo on PC...
To be fair, tempo isn't something I think I struggle with anywhere near as much as others on PC. Can't exactly explain why, it's just something I picked up really quickly in tgc2, feels natural, and I'd guess all but maybe 1 or 2 swings per round I'm p/p (unless it's an intentional fast ds). It's not like my tempo feedback is in the same spot every swing by any means, I'm often right on the line of slow or fast, but 9 times out of 10 I feel that slower or faster than ideal pace before I look at the feedback, knowing it was perfect but only just. So I'm not really trying to whine about tempo issues for me, personally, on PC, specifically as it relates to full swings only (flop shots and chips are entirely different ballgame, I'm more off tempo than on with those).
The huge difference from my gameplay vs what I see on some of the PS4 streams is, not only does the tempo appear to be much less sensitive and consistent/reliable - which, even though I'm usually not worrying about tempo as it's just become normalized to my feel, it's still something I have to be conscious of on every swing - I can't get swinglines anywhere NEAR as straight as some. This means that I have to play to the swing I have - I can't super loft anything and expect to start the ball within 3 or 4 yards of the line I know I need to. For example, I have yardages that should be easy but just aren't due to the amount of loft it takes to get the ball to fly and stop where I need it to - looking at you, 115yds, 100yds, and 85yds. I'll usual deloft if I can, but there are obviously times where that is a huge disadvantage to taking the ball way up in the air and stopping it quickly. This, to me, based on some - not all - videos of guys on ps4 playing is the biggest difference. Having said all of that, this difference could very well be down to a mere skill factor that I don't have, and others do, which is an entirely reasonable conclusion, but I've never played ps4 so I have no point of reference on that topic.
Anyway, long story short, I know how much others on PC struggle with it, and how seemingly simple it is on ps4, which is really the only reason I even mention it. I have had a noticeable up-tick in odd off-tempo shots over the last couple of weeks, which is what Robin was saying in here earlier I think, but I managed to get through the first 2 rounds of this event without more than 2 or maybe 3 off-tempo shots that weren't planned, so maybe we're back to normal now? Who knows...
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Post by wmr5277 on Apr 17, 2019 7:51:35 GMT -5
Larry - I've seen that term used before...."wind-clicker"....
Can u or someone explain what that is?
I consider myself a top notch wind player but I don't have a formula. It's all ballpark on what I think looks good.
I factor in where I think I need to aim and then add in the fact I push every shot at least a few yards right....and then I shoot the puck and hope for the best. Haha.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2019 8:35:34 GMT -5
Larry - I've seen that term used before...."wind-clicker".... Can u or someone explain what that is? May mean different things to others, but to me it just means counting individual pad movements left and right to account for wind, rather than for example looking at a general spot in front of you. But it's 'garbage-in, garbage-out', so if your estimations are wrong, it makes no difference if you click or if you just yolo-scroll to a spot based on feel. The only benefit I get from it is when testing out different winds it gave me something resembling a measurable, consistent basis from which to improve my estimates. It's not even remotely foolproof, as the wind can often change (diagonal winds are the worst for that when above 15mph), and things are really complex due to loft, different clubs, facing vs following wind and how all these combine together. I don't think it's even possible to master wind in this game because of the variance and interaction of all these variables. All clicking does for me is give me a frame of reference that I can work with rather than relying on a general view of what's in front of me. I know a bunch of top players just count grid boxes on approach shots and pick their spot with the scout cam, but I've never bothered with that, especially for high winds you usually run out of green to work with to find the right spot. So for me the click counting method (combined with noting the general effects of differences in direction, speed, loft blah blah etc.) puts me in about the right zone most of the time.
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