reebdoog
TGCT Design Competition Directors
Posts: 2,742 
TGCT Name: Brian Jeffords
Tour: CC-Pro
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Post by reebdoog on Apr 6, 2019 0:51:17 GMT -5
Time to get things cookin in here gents! I'll be posting more about the contest in the days ahead but let's get the juices flowing shall we?
I'd like to introduce the idea of REQUIRED ELEMENTS to this contest! Why? Well... to stretch ourselves as designers and break some habits, to see different interpretations on themes, to simply add an element of objectivity in how the elements are tackled by each designer, and simply to have fun. You may be saying "Required elements?!?! Bah! You can't tell ME how to make holes! I'm out!". Well here's the thing...nobody is really telling you what hole to make but simply saying "Create a hole within these parameters". That's not quite the same thing so just consider it a challenge and execute it better than anyone else! You can do it! Use it to break free of those crutches and comfort zones!
I've provided a poll with some ideas for these elements but nothing is set in stone...YET. Vote for your favorite three! If you have an "other" then PLEASE specify in the comments. We aren't looking to really restrict the designers so please keep that in mind when coming up with your ideas. No "Par 5 with a creek and a pond on the left requiring a draw around a tree!". 1) That's stupid 2) Don't do it.
Let's get this party started! Vote and brainstorm! The rest of the info will be coming along in the next few days/week. PM me with questions or concerns.
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Post by catcherman22 on Apr 6, 2019 1:57:43 GMT -5
1 par 3 under 130 yards
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Post by rob4590 on Apr 6, 2019 2:33:41 GMT -5
Drive-able par 4 is a must - but don't forget it MUST offer a lay up option...
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Post by SAM on Apr 6, 2019 4:56:35 GMT -5
Include at least one realistic tiered or multi-tiered green.
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Post by PithyDoctorG on Apr 6, 2019 6:18:10 GMT -5
Five par threes OR five par fives
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mayday_golf83
TGCT Design Competition Directors
Posts: 2,279
TGCT Name: Jeremy Mayo
Tour: Elite
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Post by mayday_golf83 on Apr 6, 2019 6:41:13 GMT -5
Drive-able par 4 is a must - but don't forget it MUST offer a lay up option... Which is exactly why I didn't vote for it. Not singling you out, Rob, but let me provide some contrarian thinking here. In my playthroughs so far in the major comp, pretty much every course has given me at least one par 4 that's driveable -- or close to it. So, my logic is if 90-95 percent of the guys are going to do it anyway, is it really a challenge to make it a "required" element? To me the better option (and one I voted for) is three unique par 4s less than 400 yards. Absolutely one of those could be a driveable hole. But what about a 375-yarder with angle and strategy options galore? Or a drive & pitch to a devilish green? That, to me, seems to be the much greater challenge. As for the other two, I voted for the creek/barranca option and the bunkerless green complex. What I'd like to see is three elements set up that could all be pulled off on one hole. The three options I chose could all be incorporated into a single hole. Also, if I were to go off the board, I would throw in a requirement that the 18th NOT be a par 5. |
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Post by mattf27 on Apr 6, 2019 8:36:46 GMT -5
I think it could be an interesting idea if you just put the eventual list out and asked the designer to "choose any 4" or something like that. Maybe with the option of a couple bonus points if they incorporate more of them successfully.
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Post by jwtexan on Apr 7, 2019 0:14:24 GMT -5
Redan green requirement (specifying my template vote)
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Post by jivesinator on Apr 7, 2019 0:24:20 GMT -5
Consecutive holes can only face the same direction at most twice during the course of a round (excluding 18 to 1)
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Post by joegolferg on Apr 7, 2019 5:22:35 GMT -5
I'd like to see at least one Punch Bowl green per course.
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Post by B.Smooth13 on Apr 8, 2019 8:17:50 GMT -5
3 Par 4's under 400 yards is a shoe-in winner for me here. In my very humblest of opinions, the shortish par 4 is one of the more underrated types of holes in this game. I think a lot of folks default to the 450yd+ par 4 as a "tough" par 4, but there are tons of ways to make a 365yd par 4 equally - if not more - challenging. Having that requirement could push some designers to think about holes in a different way to how they would have previously, and it would be really neat to see how some of you guys come up with ideas to make holes engaging, in terms of both playability/strategy and visual/sightlines, when you can't simply rely on distance alone to create a hole.
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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 9, 2019 10:11:54 GMT -5
Can I be a moany bastard and do a "no" to something.
I find it kind of weird that a LOT, most even, seem to start and end with a par 5.
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Post by joegolferg on Apr 10, 2019 5:32:49 GMT -5
Can I be a moany bastard and do a "no" to something. I find it kind of weird that a LOT, most even, seem to start and end with a par 5. I hate that! I've even started to end my courses with a par three just to be the complete opposite. |
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Post by LKeet6 on Apr 10, 2019 7:51:23 GMT -5
Can I be a moany bastard and do a "no" to something. I find it kind of weird that a LOT, most even, seem to start and end with a par 5. I hate that! I've even started to end my courses with a par three just to be the complete opposite. So it's not just me then... I get the point of it, we want excitement at the end, we want a potential eagle to make all the difference. It still makes a HUGE difference on 16 or 17?! Plus, giving someone a tournament winning opportunity on 16 or 17, BUT then making them earn it by securing par at the last on a tough par 4 just seems a more "genuine test of golf," to me... I like my par 5s late in the front 9, make them earn their good start, then give them shot earning opportunities towards the turn. Then similar on the back 9, but maybe with the 5s coming on 13 and 16, with a tricky par 3 and a long par 4 to finish. But no format should be followed religiously! Let's see it mixed up a bit. Rant over (you shouldn't have encouraged me  ) |
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Post by linkslover on Apr 11, 2019 6:54:23 GMT -5
My other vote is for one hole to prominantly feature a stone or brick wall.
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