ffrog
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Post by ffrog on Apr 1, 2019 16:23:45 GMT -5
I see that the vast majority of courses published here seem to have 3 or more teesets. As designers, what do you aim to do when designing for multiple teesets?
For my first course, i had 3 teesets, and i just placed them around 15-20 yards apart to allow for the difference between beginner/pro/master club distances, in the hope that players would choose the appropriate teeset for their clubs.
For my second course, i did something similar, but this time adjusted the placement of the closer tees to give them a slightly worse angle (to counteract the accuracy advantage of the different clubs).
I’m now creating my third course. To begin with, i’m wondering whether to include any additional teesets at all - is it really something people care about when they play a course? E.g. presumably the vast majority of TGCT rounds are played from the longest tees.
I’ve provisionally gone with 3 different teesets with some very different angles to the hole to give a bit of variety, and they are often greater than 20 yards apart. But i’m not sure to stick with that design or not.
All thoughts on the topic welcome!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 16:32:46 GMT -5
I see that the vast majority of courses published here seem to have 3 or more teesets. As designers, what do you aim to do when designing for multiple teesets? For my first course, i had 3 teesets, and i just placed them around 15-20 yards apart to allow for the difference between beginner/pro/master club distances, in the hope that players would choose the appropriate teeset for their clubs. For my second course, i did something similar, but this time adjusted the placement of the closer tees to give them a slightly worse angle (to counteract the accuracy advantage of the different clubs). I’m now creating my third course. To begin with, i’m wondering whether to include any additional teesets at all - is it really something people care about when they play a course? E.g. presumably the vast majority of TGCT rounds are played from the longest tees. I’ve provisionally gone with 3 different teesets with some very different angles to the hole to give a bit of variety, and they are often greater than 20 yards apart. But i’m not sure to stick with that design or not. All thoughts on the topic welcome! I usually measure my teesets off of the fairway hazards and considering approach lengths to accommodate different clubset. This is usually done in conjunction with a more difficult angle as well since people playing with longer clubs are generally a little better at the game. That's pretty much my take
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Apr 1, 2019 17:14:16 GMT -5
I've been designing with 4 different tees, the usual beginner/pro/master and an additional one between pro and master. The pro/master tee is normally 10 yds or so between the other two, sometimes I'll line it up with the master tee so it has a harder tee shot. The master tees have the tightest angle then the rest will decrease in difficulty. The pro/master tees can cater for an easier master round or harder pro round, well that's what the idea is.
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Post by chadgolf on Apr 2, 2019 2:42:11 GMT -5
Please place one tee set for the simulator community. We hit real clubs and most fantasy courses are out of reach for us.
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andyf
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Post by andyf on Apr 2, 2019 5:14:39 GMT -5
Why not place tees to give people options of playing the course a different way e.g. having a par 4 that can be drivable off the front tees but is a different shot off the tips that requires an accurate tee shot and wedge to get a birdie. Or a par 3 that you can change between 200+ yards and say 150-160 that gives a different challenge. That way one course can effectively have a number of different layouts just by utilising tee positions.
This is how real life tournaments are run in conjunction with changing flag positions. You can have a 'moving day' setup with simple pins and favourable tees and then a final day set with tees pushed back and harder pins etc.
Andy
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Post by linkslover on Apr 2, 2019 7:15:46 GMT -5
The problem there Andy is if you want to push up the tees to make a driveable par 4 and leave the other 17 alone for one day of a four round tournament, you need two different tee sets across all 18 holes.
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andyf
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Post by andyf on Apr 2, 2019 7:44:10 GMT -5
But rather than traditionally have red as the forward tees there is nothing stopping you in the designer from putting the red tees behind the white, black or whatever and so your tee selection when you play the course is selected on that basis when you publish it
I.e.
Red = Thursday tees and pins White = Friday tees and pins Gold = Saturday tees and pins Black = Sunday tees and pins
Rather than the traditional red = short course, black = long course.
That way people can play with whatever clubs they want as they will get challenged on different holes
Andy
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andyf
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Post by andyf on Apr 2, 2019 8:21:29 GMT -5
Just to follow on with my above comments if you think about the real world game, people hit the ball very different distances and yet find ways to score. Compare Luke Donald to Rory or DJ etc.
Just moving tee boxes to say, please use these tees so you find my hazards seems a bit of a strange way of going about it in my opinion.
Take a par 4 as an example. A person using master clubs might get a distance advantage but is hitting into a narrower part of the fairway or has more hazards to deal with in order to make their birdie whereas if they lay it up to a point where someone using beginner or pro clubs would hit to then you can make the 2nd shot more difficult. Just putting hazards at the full on driver distance for each set of clubs to me becomes boring to play and relatively easy to defeat. I guess this is where the true art of designing a course comes in to make it playable for everyone.
Andy
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ffrog
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Post by ffrog on Apr 2, 2019 14:03:38 GMT -5
But rather than traditionally have red as the forward tees there is nothing stopping you in the designer from putting the red tees behind the white, black or whatever and so your tee selection when you play the course is selected on that basis when you publish it I.e. Red = Thursday tees and pins White = Friday tees and pins Gold = Saturday tees and pins Black = Sunday tees and pins Rather than the traditional red = short course, black = long course. That way people can play with whatever clubs they want as they will get challenged on different holes Andy Woah - i thought the closest tee on each hole would be one teeset, and the longest on each hole would make up another teeset - but are you saying you can change that in the designer!? That’s a gamechanger! I could make one “standard” set for pro/master tournament play, one short set for beginner clubs, and one “crazy” set with both longer and shorter holes...
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Post by ErixonStone on Apr 2, 2019 15:17:00 GMT -5
Sort of my idea. Mileage may vary based on your course.
Forward tees: Easy mode. Beginner clubs able to carry cross hazards.
2nd tees: Beginner clubs have to deal with cross hazards; Pro Clubs may or may not carry cross hazards.
3rd tees: Beginner clubs cannot carry hazards. Pro Clubs cannot carry hazards. Master Clubs may or may not carry cross hazards.
Back tees: Master Clubs cannot carry cross hazards. Meant to play very long.
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andyf
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Post by andyf on Apr 2, 2019 17:05:11 GMT -5
But rather than traditionally have red as the forward tees there is nothing stopping you in the designer from putting the red tees behind the white, black or whatever and so your tee selection when you play the course is selected on that basis when you publish it I.e. Red = Thursday tees and pins White = Friday tees and pins Gold = Saturday tees and pins Black = Sunday tees and pins Rather than the traditional red = short course, black = long course. That way people can play with whatever clubs they want as they will get challenged on different holes Andy Woah - i thought the closest tee on each hole would be one teeset, and the longest on each hole would make up another teeset - but are you saying you can change that in the designer!? That’s a gamechanger! I could make one “standard” set for pro/master tournament play, one short set for beginner clubs, and one “crazy” set with both longer and shorter holes... You can definitely change the colour of each set of tees you lay down in the designer and I assume that when you play the course then it goes off those colours. I'll check tomorrow and let you know. Andy
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Post by 15eicheltower9 on Apr 2, 2019 17:45:54 GMT -5
Whether or not that's possible I'm not sure, but i can tell you when a tournament is set up in a society, you can't change the tees every round, only the pins. So what your suggesting would work from casual round to casual round but TGCT (or any society) wouldn't be able to set up a four round tournament with multiple tee sets. Unfortunately.
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Post by ErixonStone on Apr 2, 2019 19:04:14 GMT -5
The course designer manipulates the tees so that color 1 is the forward tees, color 2 is the second tees, and color 3 is the back tees.
There are some tricks that sometimes can allow you to manipulate the tees. I have seen this demonstrated once in TGC2, but not sure whether it works in this game or if it worked reliably at all.
Still, when setting up an event, you select one tee set for all rounds. There is no concept of Thur/Fri/Sat/Sun tees in this game.
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andyf
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Post by andyf on Apr 3, 2019 2:41:39 GMT -5
Unfortunately EriksonStone is correct as I've just tried swapping the black and red tees on 1 hole on a course and the game then swaps them all.
That's a big shame and it would give a lot more options for designers if HB could allow that
Andy
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ffrog
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Post by ffrog on Apr 3, 2019 17:01:10 GMT -5
That is a shame :-(
I think i’ll concentrate on the back set of tees, then just stick a couple of teesets closer with the shortest set aimed at beginner clubs.
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