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Post by Oblong on Feb 13, 2015 5:46:49 GMT -5
Was the rake in the middle of the Fairway? if yes, then you got a point and the rake was misplaced. If it was near a bunker, in a bunker, or in the rough near a bunker, too bad. You hit a bad shot. And you are crying because you hit a bad shot, and the rake just happened to compound your bad luck. So what are you going to call this new game you have invented? Because it is clearly not golf as someone showed you what the rules are. This site banned green chipping which is legal in the rules and there are even examples of videos of real pros doing that. I challenge you to provide one video or example in the history of professional golf in which a player lost a stroke because they couldnt remove a rake or get free relief from a manmade object like a stake and I will happily concede your point. The game should allow them to affect shots from a distance but if you are taking a shot from very close to one the ball should be allowed to travel through them. That is real golf. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 6:16:58 GMT -5
Whatever ... I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you over a frickin' video game. The rakes, like it or not, are part of the game. Until HBS fixes the problem with the several flaws it has with the game, we have to live with it.
And I disagreed with TGCT modifying the chipping on the green policy as well. However, that had to be dealt with because some were taking advantage of the rule. As for the rake causing you a stroke or two, How many times has the frickin' rake jumped in front of your BAD Shot. If you were to play that same course 50 times, I dare to bet you would maybe find that rake, maybe once ... if that.
Now, I am done with this topic. It is no longer worth my time.
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Post by Oblong on Feb 13, 2015 7:07:04 GMT -5
Whatever ... I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you over a frickin' video game. The rakes, like it or not, are part of the game. Until HBS fixes the problem with the several flaws it has with the game, we have to live with it.Bold is kind of the point of this poll...it is a game flaw but we DON'T have to live with it. Designers can simply keep rakes off the course until HB fixes the problem with them defiling the proper rules of golf. The only pissing was coming from you bringing out the waambulance and expletives, other side has matter of factly gone to the Rules of Golf to make a point. Case closed for me also, with common sense prevailing in the most lopsided poll ever.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 7:21:00 GMT -5
Nah. HB Studios just needs to implement something that you can either move your ball when behind an object or that when you're within a certain distance of an object that is blocking your shot, it shouldn't effect it and let your ball go through it if they're too lazy to do the first option.
I wouldn't want to leave out these items just so my course could be used on tour as a creator.
Nor as a player would I like to play on courses that lacks basic golf course features.
losing 1 stroke by having to shoot out of a jam is not going to kill you. Especially when it's super rare. I've played over 200 hours and have never had an object block my shots. (besides trees, boulders, and buildings which in real life can't be moved to my knowledge.)
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Post by Crazy Croc on Feb 13, 2015 7:57:27 GMT -5
lol, played over 700 rounds to date, never hit, got stuck behind or even saw a rake anywhere in this game. Bunnies - tick, distance markers - tick, boats - tick, rough, trees and bunkers - lots of ticks. Rakes - no way.
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Post by dlw1964 on Feb 13, 2015 8:24:38 GMT -5
I like the yardage poles & rakes but I haven't had one of them get in my way yet.
Knowing me I would be screaming if one of them cost me strokes.
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Post by batman041670 on Feb 13, 2015 9:03:34 GMT -5
LOL
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 10:25:26 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 11:23:30 GMT -5
touchy topic here.
irl we can just move those "movable" objects, but we can't do it here, also irl animals usualy avoid humans, they pretend we are not even here in the game.
as of late, I dont use anything as described above anymore, cause if it costs anyone a stroke, its just too much.
hell, i even got stuck on the wrong side of a rock in week 4, hit the ball and it went backwards.
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Post by SmilingGoats on Feb 13, 2015 12:21:35 GMT -5
Wow...I didn't think this was a serious thread. I thought the original poster was posting in jest.
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Post by jeffvadersith on Feb 13, 2015 15:49:10 GMT -5
I do think that it would be reasonable to ban rakes from future created courses used for tournaments but its not a huge deal or anything! The poll currently shows support for banning them. Here is a video of exactly what happened to me. Doesn't seem very realistic (or fair), if chipping on greens goes against the spirit of the game so does this in my opinion! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 18:27:07 GMT -5
From my own experience it's so rare that it's really not worth the trouble of banning rakes and markers from designers wanting to provide courses for others to play. I can really understand the frustration. I am a +1 handicap player in game and have yet to make a cut in the Web.com Tour. However, I still get upset when things don't seem to be going my way while playing in the early rounds with little chance of making a cut so I can relate somewhat. I do believe that HB Studios should try to address this issue and I'm sure it probably will in time. Funny thing is that if the markers had no collision detection then someone would probably complain about the realism or something. Not really strong feelings about this one because of the rarity it actually comes up. My personal conclusion then would be that from a course management standpoint it would not be worth it to implement a ban. Give it some time to be corrected from HB Studios end before throwing a big ole lug wrench at a fair amount of the designer community.
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Post by mcbogga on Feb 13, 2015 22:22:58 GMT -5
The disrespect for the rules of the Game in terms of this, unplayable lies and water hazards is slightly annoying. In most other ways HB has been doing things right and they should get kudos for implementing handicaps with a system very close to the USGA one. Too bad they have not fixed this yet.
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Post by misternic on Feb 13, 2015 22:57:09 GMT -5
As a designer, I think the message here should be, be considerate when placing objects that only have a ancillary visual effect. Great courses are not going to be banned because they have rakes, but I did not put rakes in the last course I made because I thought about the possible effect.
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Post by foolinjection on Feb 17, 2015 7:17:03 GMT -5
I do think that it would be reasonable to ban rakes from future created courses used for tournaments but its not a huge deal or anything! The poll currently shows support for banning them. Here is a video of exactly what happened to me. Doesn't seem very realistic (or fair), if chipping on greens goes against the spirit of the game so does this in my opinion! Now the problem I see there is a bad placement of a rake on a golf course. You would never leave a rake between a bunker and a green. Basically where it would be in the normal line of play. Personally I'd place it behind the bunker and off to the side as far from the line of play as possible. So in this case it's bad design on the course designers part. Should we ban rakes? No of course not, that's ridiculous, I don't think we should ban rakes. I am totally with DDawg on this one. If you place a rake near a bunker in the game, it should be on a side of the bunker where if you put the ball over there, YOU messed up because it's so far out of the line of play that really you must have hit a hook or a slice to get anywhere close to it. Designers should be play-testing the courses and working out the optimal line of play and placing "fluff" objects on the holes accordingly. Plus I think it would be really hard for HB to put a free drop rule into the game. How would you police that in game? How would the game know when you were potentially stuck behind something? I mean, I imagine you could be 4 or 5 feet behind a yardage marker and still smack the ball off it. If you just made it a menu option to take one whenever you'd just end up with people taking a free drop all the time to improve there lie. I honestly think that ultimately it comes down to the course and the designer. If you are going to put a rake in, think about where you are putting it. Realistic placement is key. Not to mention, the bottom line here, we ALL have to play under these conditions. While we don't get to choose the courses... we do get to choose how we play them. |
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