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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 22:44:43 GMT -5
For the record, I still think it is a mistake in not offering one/two slots from the web/euro folks, be it in a tournament, WGR, money list or those that have won tournaments. Simple fact is there have been sponsor picks in the past reserved normally for amateur players who have helped TGC as a community, yet there was a year out of no where Sloaner got an exemption when he didn't qualify, just cause we were told. The Euro/web folks play hard and yet here is not a single way for them to get into the tournament other than to qualify for the PGA. This doesn't reflect RL as a player who loses their card with a high WGR, can still qualify with that WGR or past accomplishments, (IE winning a previous major, taking top 5 in a major the year before) even if they have lost their card in the mean time, the invite is still there. It is a shame that Doyley has determined the site wants to be as realistic as possible but only when it suits him. He lists some of the official ways to get in, but ignores others and that is a shame. There are several of us on Web/Euro that have been here since the start and should have the opportunity to play, based either on previous years or at least our overall body of work in the last 5 years. We are told Euro/web tours don't get an invite because they don't meet RL qualifications, when in fact there are a few of us that do. So it really feels out we are being singled out and given a big FU all for just quite not scratching through to the PGA THIS season, when in the past rules were a bit more lax. It is a shame. In the past when longer looks could be taken under the same game that the tournament played under, it was only TGC1 that was played and they could look and compare apples to apples with regards to WGR. WGR still has plenty of TGC2 factored in (as last year there was plenty of TGC1 still factored in for the TGC2 Match Play tournament), and a more accurate representation of TGC2019 ability is taken into account with regards to Fed Ex points on the highest tour. There has been a decent amount of time to move up tours now, and frankly you should be looking more at the platform difference than anything else from holding you back. You've always been one of the better players here, Ron. It is no secret that PS4 is generally easier for scoring, so that is the roadblock for this version of TGC unfortunately for those on XBox or PC/steam.
Back to topic:
To be honest, speaking as the highest WGR ranked player who missed out last season to the one in the same spot this year I will say that I was miffed about it, too a year ago. Over time I not only accepted that it just wouldn't be right for me to take the 64th ranked person in whatever qualifications were last year because they had earned it, but I came to find it "right" for the tournament to be about putting the best players based on the most accurate metrics available on the current game. If the Match Play was somehow 30% TGC2 and 70% TGC2019, then the WGR would work, but it is not.
Use these snubs as fuel to get back to PGA. You have it in you, man.
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 27, 2019 22:52:15 GMT -5
OK, everyone but Brighttail gets in this year! A little too conspiratorial even for me, but honestly. Since 2014 many of us have been around. I think everyone who won a major in the last 5 years should get in regardless what tour they are. You once told me in 2015, that if _I_ kept track of all the past winners of the past Majors you'd make sure they all got their 5 year invites and I still have that list. They earned that exemption and in RL that exemption doesn't expire due to new rules or if they lose their card. Same with the WGR. It wasn't reset, people earned that WGR and if they are in the top 110 they have earned their way there, one way or the other. People like Sloaner lost their chance by not playing and were deemed inactive but were invited back on sponsor invite.
Brian Cairnes won the 2016 US Open and PGA championshp and is on the Euro Tour. Other winners R. Dallas, S. Sloan, B. Garcia and Ian Sweeney.
The Player's Champion for 5 years, would be B. Beaumont Thomas (inactive), Sloaner, Sweeney and blackaces13 .
All those players should be in, via our agreement in 2015-16. Yeah things change but I just focused on the 5 majors, not the Fed ex cup final 30 players in last years, top 5 in majors of last year or WGR which apparently still means something in ranking players but little else. miacanes12 , marrww , flyoli , gavlaar124 all ranked in top 80 WGR and on the Pro tours. They would all qualify under the Masters current rules as well, even if they didn't have their PGA card but a lesser card.
I get the new rules and there was a season we didn't have even two major tournies and yet the admin had time to invite specially Sloaner back even though he was still high on the WGR but just hadn't played in a long time. Excemptions are made all the time. My point is there should be at least SOME way for those of us on the web/euro side to get a chance at the major. Don't want to take our previous accomplishments? Fine. Do a qualifier. Call us club pros who qualified, there are some who do. But to hide behind. "We are going by the spirit of the Masters who only invite four amateurs is silly. Those amateurs won things like the US Amateur match play event, or place top amateur in the previous Open championship. There aren't those events on tour so Doyley created a tournament just for four people to qualify from the CC-levels. If he is going to create something for them, he should at least give us the same courtesy, if not keep his word from back in 2015-16. In fact he did keep that word for the 2017 season, all previous season major winners got an invite. We were among the first three tiers to be invited. Fairness and consistency is what I'm hoping for and if not, at least put up a single qualifying event, winner of Euro and winner of Web get in. Throw us a bone!
The best option would be a mini tournament of champions, those that won in the euro/web, play in a tournament where top 1/2 spots get a bid if you wanted to focus on only this season with the least amount of paperwork. Those of us in the pro levels already have to deal with promotional events where cc-d players can leapfrog us. Be nice to have a promotion even where you can only move up frrom am-to pro and pro to either Euro or PGA. Instead the fiends increase to 1000s instead of a regular field.
Oh and @swaeromotion, what you are basically saying is we should have a PC/PS4/Xbox tour since only Fuzion and Mellow are mouse users on the PGA tour. Bradley Good was banned. Even Bradley Garcia left PC to go to PS4 to compete despite graphis and game play is so much better, but the swing and game play is much easier on PS4. Obviously as you say PS4 is the easiest platform so maybe we should look at dividing up the platforms since HB doesn't give two craps about how fair it is from one platform to the other. Maybe we should just look at splitting into tours for every platform to make it the fairest?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2019 23:41:01 GMT -5
Was trying to motivate you to turn your negative energy into something good is all. Hope you can do that at some point, sir. You'll feel better.
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Post by paulus on Mar 28, 2019 4:26:37 GMT -5
Alternatively, you could also stop sandbagging in the Euro's and earn your place under the current rules Ron. Just an idea...
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Post by staypuft39 on Mar 28, 2019 5:11:34 GMT -5
Doyley, please change this setup so Ron gets his way. It's obvious he's not doing this for himself, but is simply doing what is virtuous and right. I know it looks like he is just complaining because he has missed numerous chances to move up and has been beaten by CC-D guys...but I know that's not true. Bless Ron for looking out for the little guys on Euro and Web (and Bryan Cairns too!).
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Post by Brighttail on Mar 28, 2019 6:54:14 GMT -5
Oh I suck and I know I do. I can only blame part of it on the mouse swing, which was for the first 1/2 of 2019 pretty borked. I have no idea how Brad Good was able to do it but hardly anyone else was able to play with it. The week they changed it I won my first Euro tourney. It was seriously night and day. SO now I have moments of brilliance where it seems like I can compete with the big boys and days and making marks and other days I'm wondering how I keep playing, thus losing marks. In other words I'm playing normal golf and to be brutally honest, I'm probably playing it on the right tour where I can be competitive in some weeks and then lose all those promotion marks in other weeks. BTW I actually have that spread sheet with all the winners. Doyley said he wasn't going to do it, told me I could and I did. The main point of this post was really aimed at Doyley. I've been playing this game since the beginning and some how I managed a squeaker win in the first year on a major. I didn't win so much as everyone behind me collapsed. And I was told then that win would yield great glory and exemptions for years to come. There was no way they were going to track every tournament from year to year but the majors, WGC, Playoff? Those were different. Heck if you managed to get to the Fed Ex tour or Race to Dubai in year one, you got to keep your tour card automatically. The WGR was everything! Now it means shite. Things change, rules change and it sux because all the work in previous seasons means absolutely zip and yet the WGR is still around. It was supposed to be the ultimate decider of a person's worth and was used to decide everything from qualifications to get into majors to the final arbitrator tie breaker in match play events. It is supposed to catch up but that is a load of bunk. Paulus I wish I were sandbagging. After the mouse swing was change I thought I'd make it back for sure by now but while the mouse swing is better, it is still an inconsistent as ever. Any way good luck to those playing, rant done. Doyley TPHTPHTP!
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Post by greyosprey on Mar 30, 2019 23:15:28 GMT -5
Just to clarify, there is no qualifying event for the Masters for PGA, Euro, Web. You're either in the top 110 of Fed Ex points or your out, correct?
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Post by Doyley on Mar 30, 2019 23:29:53 GMT -5
Just to clarify, there is no qualifying event for the Masters for PGA, Euro, Web. You're either in the top 110 of Fed Ex points or your out, correct? Correct
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Post by catcherman22 on Mar 31, 2019 0:21:03 GMT -5
OK, everyone but Brighttail gets in this year! A little too conspiratorial even for me, but honestly. Since 2014 many of us have been around. I think everyone who won a major in the last 5 years should get in regardless what tour they are. You once told me in 2015, that if _I_ kept track of all the past winners of the past Majors you'd make sure they all got their 5 year invites and I still have that list. They earned that exemption and in RL that exemption doesn't expire due to new rules or if they lose their card. Same with the WGR. It wasn't reset, people earned that WGR and if they are in the top 110 they have earned their way there, one way or the other. People like Sloaner lost their chance by not playing and were deemed inactive but were invited back on sponsor invite.
Brian Cairnes won the 2016 US Open and PGA championshp and is on the Euro Tour. Other winners R. Dallas, S. Sloan, B. Garcia and Ian Sweeney.
The Player's Champion for 5 years, would be B. Beaumont Thomas (inactive), Sloaner, Sweeney and blackaces13 .
All those players should be in, via our agreement in 2015-16. Yeah things change but I just focused on the 5 majors, not the Fed ex cup final 30 players in last years, top 5 in majors of last year or WGR which apparently still means something in ranking players but little else. miacanes12 , marrww , flyoli , gavlaar124 all ranked in top 80 WGR and on the Pro tours. They would all qualify under the Masters current rules as well, even if they didn't have their PGA card but a lesser card.
I get the new rules and there was a season we didn't have even two major tournies and yet the admin had time to invite specially Sloaner back even though he was still high on the WGR but just hadn't played in a long time. Excemptions are made all the time. My point is there should be at least SOME way for those of us on the web/euro side to get a chance at the major. Don't want to take our previous accomplishments? Fine. Do a qualifier. Call us club pros who qualified, there are some who do. But to hide behind. "We are going by the spirit of the Masters who only invite four amateurs is silly. Those amateurs won things like the US Amateur match play event, or place top amateur in the previous Open championship. There aren't those events on tour so Doyley created a tournament just for four people to qualify from the CC-levels. If he is going to create something for them, he should at least give us the same courtesy, if not keep his word from back in 2015-16. In fact he did keep that word for the 2017 season, all previous season major winners got an invite. We were among the first three tiers to be invited. Fairness and consistency is what I'm hoping for and if not, at least put up a single qualifying event, winner of Euro and winner of Web get in. Throw us a bone!
The best option would be a mini tournament of champions, those that won in the euro/web, play in a tournament where top 1/2 spots get a bid if you wanted to focus on only this season with the least amount of paperwork. Those of us in the pro levels already have to deal with promotional events where cc-d players can leapfrog us. Be nice to have a promotion even where you can only move up frrom am-to pro and pro to either Euro or PGA. Instead the fiends increase to 1000s instead of a regular field.
Oh and @swaeromotion , what you are basically saying is we should have a PC/PS4/Xbox tour since only Fuzion and Mellow are mouse users on the PGA tour. Bradley Good was banned. Even Bradley Garcia left PC to go to PS4 to compete despite graphis and game play is so much better, but the swing and game play is much easier on PS4. Obviously as you say PS4 is the easiest platform so maybe we should look at dividing up the platforms since HB doesn't give two craps about how fair it is from one platform to the other. Maybe we should just look at splitting into tours for every platform to make it the fairest?
Let’s not forget pga winners from the past year get in too... ie me!!
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Post by edi_vedder on Apr 1, 2019 17:16:28 GMT -5
Just to clarify, there is no qualifying event for the Masters for PGA, Euro, Web. You're either in the top 110 of Fed Ex points or your out, correct? Correct So it's FedEx list only, nothing about being inside the XY (eg. 100) on the WGR?
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Post by Doyley on Apr 1, 2019 17:34:39 GMT -5
So it's FedEx list only, nothing about being inside the XY (eg. 100) on the WGR? Correct
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Post by Brighttail on Apr 1, 2019 17:34:58 GMT -5
So it's FedEx list only, nothing about being inside the XY (eg. 100) on the WGR? WGR no longer means squat.
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Post by Doyley on Apr 1, 2019 17:37:04 GMT -5
So it's FedEx list only, nothing about being inside the XY (eg. 100) on the WGR? WGR no longer means squat. Until Week 40, correct
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Post by edi_vedder on Apr 1, 2019 17:51:41 GMT -5
So it's FedEx list only, nothing about being inside the XY (eg. 100) on the WGR? Correct Okay, that hurts...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2019 17:59:51 GMT -5
I'm kind of on Ron's side here. I don't like to hate on the tours but a lot of stuff has gone away from what it is like in real life and in my opinion that sucks, it really does.
When I won the Sony Open back in 2017 I should have an invitation to the next years T.O.C regardless of what game it is on. I understand the staff here do a lot of work behind the scenes to keep everything going and I appreciate that but the real world element is what kept me interested fully.
Anyway that's all I have to say.
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