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Post by martbloke on Nov 28, 2018 6:33:55 GMT -5
Especially now all tours are Masters or Pro clubs only. I mean the scoring in these tournaments at the top end are still just ridiculous so this is at least 1 thing that can be implemented to help - it won't be a massive difference made (maybe 1 or 2 strokes) but I see no reason for using any other tees anymore.
I'm currently playing CC-Pro tournaments and it's just so frustrating playing closer tees hitting par 5s easily in 2 shots and not even with a long iron/wood for the 2nd shot - just a mid-iron. I mean putting in this game is easier than TGCT for a start, then throw in the fact that with the closer tees being used you can hit a short iron into these greens and with the updated trajectories/spin, pin hunting is a lot easier than it was at launch (I like these new realistic changes BTW) thus making your putt even easier by being closer to the hole - even easier as the majority use the green grid to show them where the ball is going to go (not to mention if you are using Pros you can use the shot preview (unless this is banned on TGCT - I wasn't sure on this rule while writing this)).
I still feel no grids has to be implemented somewhere at some point in these tours as the scoring clearly proves this game too easy with all aids on and this is the most beneficial aid going in this game! I'm basing this on my thinking that after 2 rounds you should really be looking at no more than maybe 10-12 under par for the leaders IMO - Web.com tournament is showing some good, realistic scoring this week so thumbs up for that but CC-Pro this week is a joke!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2018 8:25:42 GMT -5
Especially now all tours are Masters or Pro clubs only. I mean the scoring in these tournaments at the top end are still just ridiculous so this is at least 1 thing that can be implemented to help - it won't be a massive difference made (maybe 1 or 2 strokes) but I see no reason for using any other tees anymore. I'm currently playing CC-Pro tournaments and it's just so frustrating playing closer tees hitting par 5s easily in 2 shots and not even with a long iron/wood for the 2nd shot - just a mid-iron. I mean putting in this game is easier than TGCT for a start, then throw in the fact that with the closer tees being used you can hit a short iron into these greens and with the updated trajectories/spin, pin hunting is a lot easier than it was at launch (I like these new realistic changes BTW) thus making your putt even easier by being closer to the hole - even easier as the majority use the green grid to show them where the ball is going to go (not to mention if you are using Pros you can use the shot preview (unless this is banned on TGCT - I wasn't sure on this rule while writing this)). I still feel no grids has to be implemented somewhere at some point in these tours as the scoring clearly proves this game too easy with all aids on and this is the most beneficial aid going in this game! I'm basing this on my thinking that after 2 rounds you should really be looking at no more than maybe 10-12 under par for the leaders IMO - Web.com tournament is showing some good, realistic scoring this week so thumbs up for that but CC-Pro this week is a joke! I'm all for it, but it's into season five now and it hasn't happened yet, so don't hold your breath. Even if so it would be at the top end only I would think. But again, don't hold your breath.
Also consider that these courses were selected and rangered back when the rules stated Beginner Clubs were still available in CC-Pro, so there is a lag time for implementation to these changes (tee selection without beginner clubs as a CC-Pro option).
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Post by catcherman22 on Nov 28, 2018 13:07:42 GMT -5
Also consider the fact you're in cc pro and consider the putting and iron shots easier in this game than tgc 2...
But yea, like Bob said.. we were through week 6 or 7 scheduled before word came down of the beginner club ban. I'm sure we can find a 7900 yard course to throw your way at some point.
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Post by martbloke on Nov 28, 2018 13:29:35 GMT -5
Hmmm....not entirely sure I buy the whole Beginner club theory you guys are saying considering there are comments from another ranger a while back saying that your decisions are on pushing people towards a higher level. For instance, CC-Pro you look to push people towards Master clubs and CC-Am you look to push people to Pro clubs at least. On this basis Beginner clubs shouldn't really have been an issue for CC-Pro but there you go I'll guess I'll have to accept your comments.
Time to no longer play any other tees other than the furthest going forwards methinks!!
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Post by catcherman22 on Nov 28, 2018 13:40:23 GMT -5
While that is true.. we can't discount the fact that people on cc played pro and beginner (at the time) so we can't go scheduling 7500 yard courses all of the time.
Hell, even Euro this week played off of a tee one in front of the back.
Everybody plays the same tees anyway.. so why does it matter. As Patrick said in another post. Some weeks the challenge is keeping up with the field. Some weeks you'll find the distance is the challenge.
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Post by ErixonStone on Nov 28, 2018 16:05:34 GMT -5
This course has been on the schedule since before HB made the trajectory and spin changes. Greens by default are firm/fast. Because of that, we scheduled the tees a bit forward.
We are 4 weeks into the game with the new spin mechanics. It's going to take some time to adjust.
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Post by zzfr33b1rdzz on Dec 2, 2018 2:32:13 GMT -5
Everyone has a choice whether to play an event or not. If you don't like a particular course or condition set, then don't play that week..simple.
Can the whole clubset debate just die already! There is a place to play for whatever choice one makes in that regard.
End of line.
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Post by captainturtl3 on Dec 14, 2018 1:06:34 GMT -5
I think it should depend on the course and the tee's available.
I think the goal should be to give master club users an advantage on approach shots on the par 5's and possibly the long par 3's. But they shouldn't too so far ahead that they have a huge advantage. Whether the tips best suit that or the 2nd from the back tee's, it'll be different on every course.
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Post by ErixonStone on Dec 14, 2018 9:38:21 GMT -5
I think it should depend on the course and the tee's available. I think the goal should be to give master club users an advantage on approach shots on the par 5's and possibly the long par 3's. But they shouldn't too so far ahead that they have a huge advantage. Whether the tips best suit that or the 2nd from the back tee's, it'll be different on every course. I think you misunderstood the OP. In tour events everyone plays from the same tees. The OP is advocating that we always use the tips. I disagree; for some events, it makes sense to use a forward tee to shorten some approaches or to ensure the course provides many options off the tee. Some courses have really challenging greens, so it makes sense for CC to move up so there are more short-iron approaches. Other courses are designed so that Master Clubs cannot carry hazards from the tips. For these courses, it makes sense to move up a tee to bring more risk/reward into play. We generally do use the back tees, but in cases where we do not, there are strategic reasons behind doing so. Please keep in mind that course scheduling for CC covers 4 flights and 600 or so players. |
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