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Post by booze2407 on Jun 22, 2019 0:24:17 GMT -5
Welcome to the site, and the great debate of this site haha. This has been a hot topic for a good long while. This newest rule was the latest installment of the admins trying to address it. Nothing is perfect. From the ps4 being easier to the pro club debate. In the end, there are tons of ways to find an area to compete in depending on your preference. Congrats on the second place finish. It will make that #1 finish soon feel even sweeter. I’ve only had the game for a couple months, so I don’t want to sound like I’m criticizing or anything...I’m still learning about all this stuff. My assumption is that Master clubs are considered more difficult vs Pro clubs and that’s why the top 3 tours only allow Master. So logically it had me wondering why a Master user would be expected to defeat all the Pro users in order to win an auto promotion. Im mainly wondering cause this happened to me lol. Took second overall but lost by one to someone using Pro, so it felt a little disappointing to just get the one green mark. Aaaah so it’s a controversial subject, gotcha lol. I like always using Master so wherever that gets me I’m happy. This whole setup here is awesome, I just figured this game would be like Masters ‘14 where I’d play some club events and that’s it. I was shocked to find something so in depth like this. Wish I bought the game a long time ago. Thanks, I know I finished the final hole of that one shot loss with an eagle...so that’s a little easier to handle than had I done something stupid and bogeyed lol. |
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Post by neifesis on Jun 22, 2019 1:10:00 GMT -5
I see what you mean booze. And welcome to the tours. But I've gone back and forth with myself and others and I don't believe in the idea of 'club difficulty'. Is it easier to hit straighter on pro? Absolutely. But with the extra distance from master clubs your next approach shot is that much easier. So to me, it washes out. MC can also reach more greens in 2 than pro clubs so having that eagle putt opportunity is an added benefit. Its all even in my book.
I believe the 'club difficulty' idea derives from HB Studios. They named a club set 'beginner clubs' and that set the precedent. From my experience with tgc2 (interviews with the devs on youtube and forum reading) they just wanted players to choose their strategy. Distance or accuracy? I'm pretty sure they feel all club sets are even in competition. This is why in matchmaking we don't get grouped with other players with the same clubset. They feel its fair across the board.
As far as the pro tours. Those guys are the elite players of our community here. And I believe the admins said the elite players, the master players, they'll use the master clubset. Its just all in the name and makes you feel its more difficult. It also keeps the majority from complaining about easy club this and easy club that. So they have everyone using the same clubs.
And again, I don't think any clubset is better than the other. Its just a matter of preference. Do you want some extra yards or do you wanna be accurate?
Quote of the hour:
"Master clubs be hittin' flops on their 2nd shot. My n%gga here hittin' a 6 iron"
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Post by Celtic Wolf on Jun 22, 2019 4:31:38 GMT -5
There is a big difference between Master and Pro clubs, having use both over the last few weeks I can vouch for that.
I played the We-Ko-Pa Challenge on my own course and shot 63,62 and 65 with Pro clubs and a 70 with Master Clubs for 28. The following week I went with Masters for 4 rounds and shot 68,71,65 and 69 for -15. Last week I played solely with Pro clubs and shot 59,64,64 and 66 for -31. The current tournament I shot 69,66,68 and 78 with Master clubs for a -7 total.
The carry distance between the club sets doesn't make up for the difference between sensitivity and tempo issues. I've played Pro clubs for most of this season and have been trying out with Master clubs over the last couple of months, but only playing competitive with them 3 weeks back.
Its totally up to the player what club set he uses, but he shouldn't feel aggrieved if players shoot better or get promoted ahead of them.
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Post by ErixonStone on Jun 22, 2019 22:11:23 GMT -5
I see what you mean booze. And welcome to the tours. But I've gone back and forth with myself and others and I don't believe in the idea of 'club difficulty'. Is it easier to hit straighter on pro? Absolutely. But with the extra distance from master clubs your next approach shot is that much easier. So to me, it washes out. MC can also reach more greens in 2 than pro clubs so having that eagle putt opportunity is an added benefit. Its all even in my book. I believe the 'club difficulty' idea derives from HB Studios. They named a club set 'beginner clubs' and that set the precedent. From my experience with tgc2 (interviews with the devs on youtube and forum reading) they just wanted players to choose their strategy. Distance or accuracy? I'm pretty sure they feel all club sets are even in competition. This is why in matchmaking we don't get grouped with other players with the same clubset. They feel its fair across the board. Looking back at TGC2, the club sets were much better balanced. While they took longer to learn and become proficient with, Tour Clubs (TGC2's incarnation of Master Clubs) were generally superior thanks to their added distance and spin. In TGC2019, that is not the case at all. Tempo has a much larger impact on shot outcomes, and hitting the desired tempo in this game is more difficult than it was in TGC2. Furthermore, the distance advantage of using Master Clubs is diminished somewhat in TGC2019. Most importantly, in TGC2019, HB introduced a mechanic that boosts the distance of your shot by "missing" the perfect tempo by a slight bit. If your backswing exceeds 95% and falls short of 100% the ball will carry further than it would for "perfect" 100% swings. While this is great off the tee, and can help cover some gaps between clubs on approaches, this wreaks havoc on the short game. Extra distance on pitch, flop and chip shots is not useful, and instead, just creates larger gaps between clubs. Furthermore, with the tempo mechanic, it is really easy to power through a delicate chip of flop and end up 20-30 feed from the hole. Lastly, putting with the Master Clubs is more sensitive, and it is easier to start a putt off-line. Combine all of these factors together, and Master Clubs are likely somewhere between 1 and 2 strokes more difficult per round, except for the very best players. HB can pretend that the clubs are fair across the board, but they are wrong. In TGC2, Tour Clubs were the best clubs for about two-thirds of the players here at TGCTours. In TGC2019, that number might be 10%. It's certainly very rarely true - if at all - for players in the Challenge Circuit. The above doesn't even consider platform which is another whole conversation completely. |
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Post by Crazy Croc on Jun 23, 2019 4:21:20 GMT -5
Decided to stick with those pesky Master clubs. Decided that after tasting the extra distance gained makes me feel alive a bit more than, well, meh. Decided to play music again during the round to counter the frustration factor. Played pretty decently. Ironically took a quite a few 2 woods off the tee (so much for feeling alive) when there was reasonable space to hit the big stick to, but nailed my apps for the most part. And then came the 16th...got one of those HB induced bull crap non registering 'whats that, lets give him a no show shot that ticks bang on the 12 o' clock mark' super very slow bs downswing and watched in dismay as my app went sailing into the wild blue yonder for the mother of power fades. My short game is uber crap I was just gnnnnnnnnn, will be lucky to keep my card clean on this one and... Excitement was too much after that, could only par 17 and 18. Happy with 15 under. Off to watch South Africa win the World Cup - if they 10/3 after 5 overs i'll come back and play the rest of the rounds.  Good luck all |
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jun 23, 2019 4:25:41 GMT -5
Well, looks like I caught a lucky break. -38 good enough for T15 Masters, pretty sure countback is not in effect for promo marks, happy days! There's a guy on -34 who didn't play the last round too! Lucky. For a change.
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Post by Giraffe72 on Jun 23, 2019 4:27:04 GMT -5
Lol Crazy Croc, you've got more chance of catching fire! |
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Post by fransslabak on Jun 23, 2019 5:46:51 GMT -5
Also still too stubborn to give up on Masters, even though I collected a boatload of red thingies the last few weeks.
First round: -13
Much better than the last few weeks, even if this course played easy in the first round - I’ll take it!
Best wishes
Frans
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Post by fransslabak on Jun 23, 2019 8:08:43 GMT -5
Also still too stubborn to give up on Masters, even though I collected a boatload of red thingies the last few weeks. First round: -13 Much better than the last few weeks, even if this course played easy in the first round - I’ll take it! Best wishes Frans Oh man, I am so inconsistent, incredible. Hit three (!) double bogeys in the middle two rounds and then, after a slow start, I make 9 birdies in a row in the last round. -13, -3, -5, -10 for -31 total Very disappointing but it might just be enough to clear one of those red thingies. Obviously, next week it will all click and I’ll get my spot in the Open and earn a promotion through the promo event... 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 |
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Post by Crazy Croc on Jun 23, 2019 8:26:08 GMT -5
Lol Crazy Croc , you've got more chance of catching fire! One day...  |
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Post by neifesis on Jun 23, 2019 17:04:02 GMT -5
Fraans I played your ghost b4 reading your last post. I coulda swore you were using pro clubs in the beginning. Then I noticed you were keeping up with me and Denrizz off the tee later in the 1st rd. It would be kind of confusing to me if you still get credit as a MC player on the leaderboards.
Either way nice score. You beat me by 1 stroke. Good luck with the red thingie.
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Post by wellsa27 on Jun 23, 2019 17:09:20 GMT -5
Poor week for me, collecting 2 strikes as a result.
Played really well in R1, but that's it. R2/3/4, though under par for all just wasn't good enough.
Worst week on masters for a while.
Need to pick it up for shot at the promotion week soon.
Might drop to pro clubs to clear a strike, but I'll feel so dirtyyyyy
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Post by neifesis on Jun 23, 2019 19:54:00 GMT -5
Yeah Fraans got that start with pro, switch to masters glitch. Played his rd 1 ghost again just to make sure I saw it right the 1st time. Should be a pro club user on the leaderboard.
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Post by fransslabak on Jun 24, 2019 0:41:33 GMT -5
Fraans I played your ghost b4 reading your last post. I coulda swore you were using pro clubs in the beginning. Then I noticed you were keeping up with me and Denrizz off the tee later in the 1st rd. It would be kind of confusing to me if you still get credit as a MC player on the leaderboards. Either way nice score. You beat me by 1 stroke. Good luck with the red thingie. I used 2W for the tee shot a few times... no need to get confused. |
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Post by fransslabak on Jun 24, 2019 0:43:09 GMT -5
Yeah Fraans got that start with pro, switch to masters glitch. Played his rd 1 ghost again just to make sure I saw it right the 1st time. Should be a pro club user on the leaderboard. No, I used Masters. Not quite sure why you would think I used Pro. |
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