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Post by nevadaballin on Oct 15, 2018 12:08:43 GMT -5
So what will be everyone's tactic for playing long par 3's? It appears the difference of full loft vs standard for hybrids is almost nil. That, and the fact that we are now forced to carry four wedges, will you try for 95% shots, slow backswings, change up your bag or something else? Technically not forced to carry four wedges, but I get your point.
I have gaps at the top end and just accept that I will be short or long. Draws or fades into the wind do knock off a slight bit of yardage. I am guessing that 90 and 05% swings will become a thing for a few, but also the deliberate F/F swing to add distance will also become a thing.
I already pulled the LW out of the bag and replace it with a club that fills a gap at the top end, usually the 6 Hybrid but will swap that out depending on the course. Anything I can do with a LW I've learned to do with a SW for the most part. |
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Post by Generic_Casual on Oct 19, 2018 4:04:28 GMT -5
Not being able to hit Perfect Perfect on every swing, making charts is not as easy as some of you make it out to be. I actually have more bad swings once I use the loft box. I also think we won't get charts until HB has the server side of things sorted out. I had to repeat maybe 3-4 swings due to bad tempos when I was charting, but even if it's 10 swings it still won't take anybody more than 30 mins max. I just charted 2 distances in between each club for full shots, plus pitches. You don't need any more detail than that, especially now that loft has been massively reduced. It's childsplay and takes no time at all, and more importantly the distances will be ingrained in your mind through your own input and sense data, whereas you can never be sure with someone else's charts. I've seen other charts and thought "nope that's wrong", but maybe in their mind they were looking at something differently so it works for them, but obviously I can't trust it unless I've done it myself. Also, HB said the charts they will provide is purely for the absolute maximums, so you can see the range for each club. That is worse than useless practically speaking, because nobody with any sense is going to max loft, given how much it reduces the cone, Strangely enough, I hit the line/cone/stripe BETTER when I fully loft/deloft anything!  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 4:15:59 GMT -5
I had to repeat maybe 3-4 swings due to bad tempos when I was charting, but even if it's 10 swings it still won't take anybody more than 30 mins max. I just charted 2 distances in between each club for full shots, plus pitches. You don't need any more detail than that, especially now that loft has been massively reduced. It's childsplay and takes no time at all, and more importantly the distances will be ingrained in your mind through your own input and sense data, whereas you can never be sure with someone else's charts. I've seen other charts and thought "nope that's wrong", but maybe in their mind they were looking at something differently so it works for them, but obviously I can't trust it unless I've done it myself. Also, HB said the charts they will provide is purely for the absolute maximums, so you can see the range for each club. That is worse than useless practically speaking, because nobody with any sense is going to max loft, given how much it reduces the cone, Strangely enough, I hit the line/cone/stripe BETTER when I fully loft/deloft anything! I honestly think that might be an illusion because the cone gets seriously anorexic when you max loft, so even if you're out of the cone the line itself appears relatively straight. Take a screenshot when you next do one of those and zoom in, I'd bet that there's some serious wobble in what looks at first glance like a relatively straight line. At the very least, one thing I'm 100% certain of is when I tried max lofting after the update, my ball flights were unplayably wild so I've decided it's just not worth it. Far safer for me to go for a 90% power swing if I can't hit the distance with a sensible loft. |
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Post by Generic_Casual on Oct 19, 2018 4:19:58 GMT -5
Strangely enough, I hit the line/cone/stripe BETTER when I fully loft/deloft anything! I honestly think that might be an illusion because the cone gets seriously anorexic when you max loft, so even if you're out of the cone the line itself appears relatively straight. Take a screenshot when you next do one of those and zoom in, I'd bet that there's some serious wobble in what looks at first glance like a relatively straight line. At the very least, one thing I'm 100% certain of is when I tried max lofting after the update, my ball flights were unplayably wild so I've decided it's just not worth it. Far safer for me to go for a 90% power swing if I can't hit the distance with a sensible loft. I'm less concerned with the actual "looks" of it. I get about the same flight path, a slight to mid pull, going no loft or full loft. Either way, I just play what works for me that day. Some days are better than others. I focus more on P/P as to get the advertised distance. Works for me so far.  |
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Post by neilwilkes on Oct 21, 2018 7:59:50 GMT -5
Personally I wish they would just get on with it if they are going to do it. Don't much care either way - my only problem with working it out for myself is that I have not yet figured out how to set zero wind on the range. Tried to make myself a range in the designer but got so caught up in details that I could not work out the big picture so if anyone knows of a driving range with the wind adjustable for practise purposes & working out average yardage please post the course name so I can go try it? If you make your own (Make a tee box just barely above the ground) hole in the designer, I recommend just making it a bunch of water out from just beyond the tee box all the way out to 330 yards and the hole elsewhere beyond that. That way you can get carry only distances 100% accurate. Not only that, you can rehit your tee shot ad nauseum.
Playing a course someone else made you can't go back over and over again to the tee box.
I get the point (and please do not misunderstand me I am grateful for the advice) but I think you have missed my point and / or question really.
Why can I not either
A - set the blasted wind for the range, or
B - Build my own range - not spend ages trying to design a single shot hole just so I can set to default state of Zero Wind and have to rewind after every shot?
I tried the build my own approach - a long, wide section of level fairway and it sort of works. I turn up the audio, watch the readout & take note of the number when I hear it bounce (I really want carry and total roll-out values, so just splash into water not much help but that said for pure carry it is a great idea and one to incorporate as that number can be useful) and get the total yardage after it stops rolling - but making adjustments to the range should not be that difficult. Why can we not simply turn off the damned wind just to work out yardages? Pros sure as hell make maximum use of zero wind days for just this - pure distance values. |
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Post by rob4590 on Oct 21, 2018 8:11:24 GMT -5
Don't publish the course Neil - just playtest it IN the designer - max wind you ever get in the designer playtest is 3mph (and usually less)
Simples
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Post by steamerandy64 on Oct 21, 2018 21:15:06 GMT -5
Not being able to hit Perfect Perfect on every swing, making charts is not as easy as some of you make it out to be. I actually have more bad swings once I use the loft box. I also think we won't get charts until HB has the server side of things sorted out. I'm finding that adding a little action on the ball tends to give me more p/p shots. Dont need much, whether it be draw /fade/ loft or a bit of both. |
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Post by steamerandy64 on Oct 21, 2018 21:19:57 GMT -5
So what will be everyone's tactic for playing long par 3's? It appears the difference of full loft vs standard for hybrids is almost nil. That, and the fact that we are now forced to carry four wedges, will you try for 95% shots, slow backswings, change up your bag or something else? I am pretty comfortable leaving it 20ft below the hole and trying to make a putt.
Most of the fancy stuff others have mentioned is way more likely to get me into trouble
Middle of the greens for me. Try to drop it 10-15yds short of the pin depending on the wind. Then hopefully by the time the ball rolls out its somewhere near. |
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Post by mikehanson201 on Nov 19, 2018 21:45:35 GMT -5
Anyone looking for driving range 2 map out your clubs use Hall O Fame driving rang . He is left out of range because I ran out of space but that is the actual name it is surrounded Bywater so you can get a true fly in the air distance without any bounce
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Post by mikehanson201 on Nov 19, 2018 23:02:31 GMT -5
If you make your own (Make a tee box just barely above the ground) hole in the designer, I recommend just making it a bunch of water out from just beyond the tee box all the way out to 330 yards and the hole elsewhere beyond that. That way you can get carry only distances 100% accurate. Not only that, you can rehit your tee shot ad nauseum.
Playing a course someone else made you can't go back over and over again to the tee box.
I get the point (and please do not misunderstand me I am grateful for the advice) but I think you have missed my point and / or question really.
Why can I not either
A - set the blasted wind for the range, or
B - Build my own range - not spend ages trying to design a single shot hole just so I can set to default state of Zero Wind and have to rewind after every shot?
I tried the build my own approach - a long, wide section of level fairway and it sort of works. I turn up the audio, watch the readout & take note of the number when I hear it bounce (I really want carry and total roll-out values, so just splash into water not much help but that said for pure carry it is a great idea and one to incorporate as that number can be useful) and get the total yardage after it stops rolling - but making adjustments to the range should not be that difficult. Why can we not simply turn off the damned wind just to work out yardages? Pros sure as hell make maximum use of zero wind days for just this - pure distance values. Go to Hall O Fame Driving Rang .... It's my personal driving range and it's Kick-Ass it's all tee off boxes and water so it only shows your Carry distance enjoy |
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Post by neilwilkes on Dec 13, 2018 12:52:42 GMT -5
Much as I appreciate the invitation, Mike - carry distance only is not much help.
What I need is the average roll, and backspin.
I guess I will have to make it all up as I go along as I simply just do not have the time to go work it all out - it is hard enough fitting in the stuff I have to do each week as it stands.
Not to worry
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2018 13:17:20 GMT -5
Much as I appreciate the invitation, Mike - carry distance only is not much help. What I need is the average roll, and backspin.I guess I will have to make it all up as I go along as I simply just do not have the time to go work it all out - it is hard enough fitting in the stuff I have to do each week as it stands. Not to worry It will vary by the firmness of type of terrain you are landing on, the tilt (angle) of the terrain your ball lands on, the firmness of the terrain you land on and roll through, etc. etc.
In short, carry distance can be exact, but rollout distance will never ever be exact as there are so many different variables to factor in.
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Post by neilwilkes on Dec 14, 2018 5:15:58 GMT -5
Much as I appreciate the invitation, Mike - carry distance only is not much help. What I need is the average roll, and backspin.I guess I will have to make it all up as I go along as I simply just do not have the time to go work it all out - it is hard enough fitting in the stuff I have to do each week as it stands. Not to worry It will vary by the firmness of type of terrain you are landing on, the tilt (angle) of the terrain your ball lands on, the firmness of the terrain you land on and roll through, etc. etc.
In short, carry distance can be exact, but rollout distance will never ever be exact as there are so many different variables to factor in.
I know - that ain't the point. All I am asking for is the base yardages as we were promised because I just do not have the time to go work all that out for myself. Once I get a base sheet I can then work out everything I need from that, within a few yards or so anyway most of the time. Let me put it this way - if Justin Rose can have a piece of tape on each of his bats with it's average yardage as carry & total then I can have the spreadsheet we were promised. Obviously it will not be 100% accurate - I am not asking for this. All I want is average carry / rollout based on flat terrain with no wind for standard, fully lofted & fully delofted. Why is t his so difficult? |
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Post by jtcurrent on Dec 14, 2018 20:00:55 GMT -5
Hey Neil, who do you suppose provided those distances to Justin Rose? Part of the game is learning those things yourself...that’s what separates players. You have your thoughts here but I couldn’t disagree more. Take one day where you may play rounds and sub that with creating an easy course you can use to gather distance info and you’ll have your charts.
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Post by Generic_Casual on Dec 14, 2018 21:24:13 GMT -5
Hey Neil, who do you suppose provided those distances to Justin Rose? Part of the game is learning those things yourself...that’s what separates players. You have your thoughts here but I couldn’t disagree more. Take one day where you may play rounds and sub that with creating an easy course you can use to gather distance info and you’ll have your charts. Don't listen to this guy! Pfffttt!   Seriously, though...he speaks the wisdom. I'm redoing my clubs tomorrow or Sunday before next week's tour rounds. I only want carry distances for full loft/deloft. I don't care about the in between. Also, I don't care about roll. Roll is, like Bob said, based on numerous factors of green speed, slope, firmness, foot lies and wind direction/speed. Before the patch I could hit a fully delofted SW and know that it would fly 121 yards. (Others might disagree with this assessment.) That piece of advice meant that I had ZERO need for a GW in my bag. I could manufacture my own distances with the LW, SW, and PW as needed by manipulating loft. It really doesn't take that long to get the numbers. Hang in there. |
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