Loft chart creation

[nevadaballin]

Sept 7, 2018 12:46:49 GMT -5 cseanny said:

Coniglio : I too, play the game how it is played irl by top PGA professionals.  

Then you are not playing golf how it is played in real life on the PGA Tour.  Every pro shoots to a number. They aren't guessing.

[cliffs]

Until we all start playing live on Twitch ( or some other media ) charts and other helpful ways of playing are up to the individual "swinging" their controller and if it makes you enjoy the game more than not using them, so be it.

[fadgewacker]

I've never used a physical chart, I've just looked at what I know for the club carry, worked the elevation and tweaked the loft for what my eye seems in that moment (landing gradients, wind etc), and hit the shot. Skeg of eye golf!

I've not the time or volition to make my own charts, but there's nothing wrong with using them, IMO. They're a good point of reference.

The grid, though I admire it's creation and usefulness, doesn't seem right to me. Especially when you can use a keyboard to give a repeatable "click" that console users aren't able to achieve. You've still got to be decent to post good scores, but that's a bit off in my mind.

[B.Smooth13]

On screen overlay? Come'on man, that's ridiculous lol it's adding something literally ontop of the game to alter precision of gameplay. That's an easy one...I mean, let's just be reasonable about things, surely that's one that we don't have to argue over.

[rhino4life]

If folks have been, are, or will continue to add screen overlays shot charts to the game then you are a piece of sh%$.

[cseanny]

Let's wait for the debbie downers to manipulate some quotes. Lovin' it .

Anyways, without question, the use of an overlay is 100% legit and in no way cheating, or for that matter, against the spirit of the game. This is said with utmost sincerity on my point. I can't wrap my head around how anyone would think otherwise. I can map out the loft box just as precise using the tip of my pinker finger and using half-tip and finer movements to arrive at the same thing. Difference? It takes MUCH longer.

Here's a practical example to see how consistent and partial people are. Take a look at this link here: docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1aLqTCfuGEoHaUgYP5i6pa6OKMn9GP1p_C_rteWb1s8E/edit#gid=0 . The LoftChart, ApproachShot, Chipping, and putting spread sheet DID NOT COME INCLUDED with the game (that's the deciding factor). It is something Extra. By the same logic as people are applying to my post, "if it Did Not Come Included with the Game", then anyone who has ever used a spread sheet, or made hand written notes, or even used a calculator (even 1 time)is a Dirty, Dirty, Horrible Cheat.

If you think otherwise you're a hypocrite.


On the bright side, more than a few people have liked my post in this thread so at least a few people at least see my pov or actually like my idea and will put it into practical use. Keep in mind, any tools used from my channel can be done with the human mind just as well, even the overlay. The tools simply save you time and DONT CHANGE OR MANIPULATE THE GAME IN ANY WAY.

Btw, can anyone tell me how to save a signature in your profile? Cheers and good golfing.

[titaneddie]

You can spin it however you want but a screen overlay of the loft box is definitley a borderline cheat. Yeah, there's apparent other methods (such as the pinky finger method you pointed out lol) but it's still lame. I would think the loft box doesn't come "grided out" so it's a little more difficult to precisely dial in...unless you start smudging your screen with your fingers that is.

It really doesn't bother me if people want to try things like this to gain small advantages to try and win fake online events for fake money, but I'll never understand it.  

[HeMan1202]

Sept 11, 2018 14:50:21 GMT -5 titaneddie said:

You can spin it however you want but a screen overlay of the loft box is definitley a borderline cheat. Yeah, there's apparent other methods (such as the pinky finger method you pointed out lol) but it's still lame. I would think the loft box doesn't come "grided out" so it's a little more difficult to precisely dial in...unless you start smudging your screen with your fingers that is.

It really doesn't bother me if people want to try things like this to gain small advantages to try and win fake online events for fake money, but I'll never understand it.  

Hahaha, lame is a great word to describe this. As much time as you are investing into creating a grid box on your screen and mapping each grid of loft you could have been playing the game and getting better. What a joke this is.

[cseanny]

HeMan1202 : Here is a quote from me on the previous page:

"Anyways, some of my fondest memories of golf games have been in the actual preparation and creation of the items above. It's very rewarding when you hit a good shot and know all your hard work, energy, and dedication paid off."

I enjoy mappings, and charts, and the fulfillment in seeing the fruits of my labor. I'm rather curious why you think this is lame and a joke? Could you explain please?

Cheers.

[rhino4life]

I dunno...i think of fruits of labor, dedication to your craft, and hard work is putting time into the game with hundreds of rounds, muscle memory, and memory retention. I do not consider plotting a dial a shot range in the designer and working out all the yardage in a few hours ground breaking but rather a shortcut and fraudulent. If you and others scattered amongst TGCT need shot charts, scripts, rulers, and/or screen overlays to keep on top the WGR dick measuring contest then knock yourselves out. While don't have much of an issue with a shot chart persay because they become useless after hundreds of hours of game play (retained information)...the screen overlay is utter nonsense. If you cannot see that for yourself then that's a you problem.

It may be naive but i think most people play this game on the up and up and produce results based on their own merits.

[paulus]

Thought this debate was interesting enough for a poll... for those that haven't seen it...

tgctours.proboards.com/thread/15928/external-aids-where-line-anyway?page=1

[SkinniePost]

Is it cool to make a loft/distance/roll chart to use in designing courses?

[cseanny]

rhino4life : "It may be naive but i think most people play this game on the up and up and produce results based on their own merits."

You hit the nail on the head. These are my exact sentiments and this is precisely what I am doing. Here's a previous quote from me, which exemplifies the "you" problem which YOU are facing. You're incorrectly identifying anyone who has a different opinion than you in a deliberately false and unflattering light.

"Random person says, "Anyone using a ruler is a cheater". 2nd person says, "No. No. Using a ruler is fine. Anyone using a calculator is a cheater". 3rd person says, No. No.No. Rulers and Calculators are fine. Anyone using a stop watch is a cheater."

4th person says, "No. No. No. No. Those things are NOT cheats but they are contrary to the spirit of the game and goes against how it's intended to be played."

Everyone of these statements are arbitrary. Why? They are not based on fact, but rather, personal opinion based on how YOU feel. As long as you don't break the ToS/Rules it doesn't matter how you play. You wanna play by feel and hit every shot in under 10 seconds? Go for it. You want to use every tool in the book and take 5 minutes per shot? Go for it."

[rhino4life]

Yeah...i seen the piece of shits quotes about unless you aren't breaking the rules you are not a piece of sh%$. I guess we will just disagree you aren't a piece of sh%$ unless we somehow but common sense rules in place to rid ourselves of pieces of sh%$.

[cseanny]

rhino4life : I'm new here, so I'm curious, is this how you always interact with other forum members? I'm getting some flash backs:

I suppose next we'll be discussing staying out of your way?