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Post by jeffbdvs on Dec 5, 2017 17:10:49 GMT -5
Please forgive me if this has been asked a hundred times before. I really did try to search for other discussions. And I certainly don't want to start another endless "which clubs are okay/best/fair" thread.  TL:DR -- Has anyone used, or does anyone know of, a well-made, non-Sony controller for the PS4 console that meets TGCTours fair play guidelines?Why do I ask, you ask? It's because during my reading of these boards it seems that console players have more trouble controlling their swings than PC players, and PS4 players have more trouble than XBox players. And the PC players are often using the same PS4 and XBox controllers that the console players are using. PC players say that the condition of the controller doesn't matter, but others, including me, will swear that it does when playing on console. I want to find a controller that can give me the same consistent response (notice I said "consistent" not "straight") on my PS4 that the PC players are enjoying, and one whose performance doesn't degrade after just a few months of use. (If that's even possible?) I'm also not stupid (but please don't ask my wife to confirm that). I know that the response and lag time between a wired PC input and what is shown on the monitor is very different than the response and lag time for a wireless controller communicating to a console that is connected to an AV Receiver via HDMI that is in turn connected by an HDMI cable to a television that is employing heaven-knows-what kind of digital picture processing. But if I take that difference into account, I should still be able to get consistent results. Right now I'm struggling to hit Player clubs consistently -- crooked, straight or otherwise. I have two Sony DS4 controllers, one used for a few months longer than the other. I have to go the Driving Range and re-work my swing mechanics every time I switch controllers, because they both respond differently. I don't play much real golf, but one thing I got from a friend who's a scratch golfer is that you never want to practice bad habits. If your swing starts going south, find someone who can fix it before you start practicing again. Possible solutions I've read: - Buy a long cable and connect the DS4 to the PS4.
- Buy a new DS4.
- Skip that console nonsense and play on a proper PC.
Each of those solutions has issues in my setup and over time. I'm investigating a fourth solution. I want to find a different controller I can confidently take to the Driving Range, yet not be a big cheater-pants when I use it in competition. Cheers, Jeff |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 17:17:01 GMT -5
Are both your PS4 controllers v2? I recently got a second hand PS4 which came with 2 controllers, one of which was much, much harder to control than the other. I found out that the difficult one is the v2 (new) controller and the easier one is the v1. So if both of yours are the new model, I'd suggest getting a second hand v1 controller and try that out. I don't think any non-stock controllers will meet the fair play guidelines.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 17:26:27 GMT -5
I only own the v1, but supposedly the v2 models have the option to turn off bluetooth while connected via cable. Maybe try that?
Maybe someone else that has a v2 DS4 can comment further, but I do know that was brought up in the past.
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Post by jeffbdvs on Dec 5, 2017 17:45:43 GMT -5
Are both your PS4 controllers v2? I recently got a second hand PS4 which came with 2 controllers, one of which was much, much harder to control than the other. I found out that the difficult one is the v2 (new) controller and the easier one is the v1. Both of mine are v1. I'm screwed.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 17:53:47 GMT -5
Are both your PS4 controllers v2? I recently got a second hand PS4 which came with 2 controllers, one of which was much, much harder to control than the other. I found out that the difficult one is the v2 (new) controller and the easier one is the v1. Both of mine are v1. I'm screwed.  Get the PC version instead, but then you'll have tempos to worry about... Have you tried the 'controller on cushion on desk/table and using thumb and forefinger like a chess piece hold while staring intently at the controller and not the screen during your swing' technique? It was a revelation for me Also I have a different stick movement technique on PS4 compared to PC. On PS4 I need to hold it firmly to the top in a short controlled movement, whereas on PC I use an arm fling motion and follow through so my thumb and finger leave the stick at the end. It's kinda like an 18th century French prince contemptuously tossing bread to the peasants below. Basically just try a range of techniques until you get one that works for you. It'll take a while, but stick with it if you've got the will and patience. |
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Post by jeffbdvs on Dec 5, 2017 17:54:23 GMT -5
I only own the v1, but supposedly the v2 models have the option to turn off bluetooth while connected via cable. Maybe try that? Maybe someone else that has a v2 DS4 can comment further, but I do know that was brought up in the past. I read that too, Bob. Thanks. I might buy a v2 to test that theory, and to see if the analog stick holds up to use better than the v1. But I may be wasting my time and money if the issue isn't a worn-out analog stick and it's down to the fact that different controllers are just.....wait for it.....different, and that I'll never get consistent response between 2 different physical units. I hope that's not the case. Maybe someone who gets consistent response from two different units can enlighten me. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 17:57:40 GMT -5
I only own the v1, but supposedly the v2 models have the option to turn off bluetooth while connected via cable. Maybe try that? Maybe someone else that has a v2 DS4 can comment further, but I do know that was brought up in the past. I read that too, Bob. Thanks. I might buy a v2 to test that theory, and to see if the analog stick holds up to use better than the v1. But I may be wasting my time and money if the issue isn't a worn-out analog stick and it's down to the fact that different controllers are just.....wait for it.....different, and that I'll never get consistent response between 2 different physical units. I hope that's not the case. Maybe someone who gets consistent response from two different units can enlighten me. Don't mean to complicate your decision, but I find with a DS4 a worn analog slightly helps for me. Might not be the case for others, so it is impossible for what I experience to be of true value to you or to others. Some players may play better with a new(er) one than a worn one. I think it is acknowledged that different controllers are different. Sucks, but it is what it is. |
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Post by jeffbdvs on Dec 5, 2017 18:01:17 GMT -5
Both of mine are v1. I'm screwed. Get the PC version instead, but then you'll have tempos to worry about... Have you tried the 'controller on cushion on desk/table and using thumb and forefinger like a chess piece hold while staring intently at the controller and not the screen during your swing' technique? It was a revelation for me Larry -- that GIF is funny! Looking at my controller during the backswing is a new technique that I'm trying, so maybe it will be a revelation for me too. I'm also going to try the Tour clubs -- one guy said he hit more consistent shots with Tour than with Player. I'm skeptical at best, but what the heck, anything's worth a try! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 18:13:05 GMT -5
A lot of people think the PS4 is easier than the Xbox. To add more confusion the Xbox X is easier than the X1 because it has better frame rates.
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Post by Lowenberger on Dec 6, 2017 2:29:33 GMT -5
It's kinda like an 18th century French prince contemptuously tossing bread to the peasants below. Here I’ve only been modeling my swing after a prince of no specific denomination. your dedication to focusing not only on a nationality but also time period should be applauded! |
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Post by jeffbdvs on Dec 6, 2017 7:06:53 GMT -5
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Post by jeffbdvs on Dec 6, 2017 7:26:47 GMT -5
Also I have a different stick movement technique on PS4 compared to PC. On PS4 I need to hold it firmly to the top in a short controlled movement, whereas on PC I use an arm fling motion and follow through so my thumb and finger leave the stick at the end. It's kinda like an 18th century French prince contemptuously tossing bread to the peasants below. Basically just try a range of techniques until you get one that works for you. It'll take a while, but stick with it if you've got the will and patience. Good advice, and I'm doing that now. I thought I'd found a swing that worked even for the Tour clubs. I was killing it on the range, so I took the new swing and clubs out on an easy course. I was -4 after 9 holes. But on the 10th, the swing went away and I couldn't get the ball on the fairway or the green until I was chipping from a green side bunker. It was the weirdest feeling -- the new swing was just gone. Finished +1. What's that old line about a poor craftsman who blames his tools? I'm getting the impression a new controller isn't the answer, so I'm trying to create some kind of 3-headed monster swing that is a combo of your controller-watching, Bob's first-knuckle-thumb grip and a 1-2-3 tempo thing. Hey, do you think we could write a new fairy tale story that has 18th-century princes and 3-headed monsters in it? |
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Post by HertogJan on Dec 8, 2017 10:19:11 GMT -5
Tales of the three headed controller and a cup
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Post by jeffbdvs on Dec 8, 2017 18:56:25 GMT -5
UPDATE:
TL;DR -- Tempo, Tempo, Tempo. Even more critical than whether or not you finish your downswing with the analog stick at 11:00, 12:00 or 1:00 (or any :30s in between).
I have settled on a pre-swing routine that seems to be getting incrementally better results the more I play/practice with it. I follow Larry's advice and look at the controller while I grip it using Bob's thumb-knuckle technique. Then I wag the club a couple of times while looking at the controller to make sure that I'm pulling the analog stick straight back (and to get rid of any pre-swing game lag). Since Bob's grip effectively locks my hand and thumb in position and limits the amount of possible wayward motion, I can stop looking at the controller at this point. When I'm ready to swing I pull back on the analog stick with a smooth "one" count (about a half-second). I pause for a "two" count while watching my avatar finish his backswing (about another half-second), and then just at the top of his swing I push forward fast on the analog stick to create my downswing. I try to finish with the analog stick at 12:00, but even if I miss it a little left or right of 12:00, I still get a straight shot as long as the tempo was correct.
Using Tour clubs and my new swing stuff, I finished at -1 at Little Brook Manor in a practice round and -3 in the third round of my Q-School tournament at The Club at Montecito. Then I took a step backward (or maybe forward, depending on your perspective) and finished +8 at Old Head Golf Links @ Kinsale, Co.Cork, Ireland.
So there is hope for progress overall, but I have one concern:
Because I have no rhythm and can't dance, I'm dreading the day when John The Announcer says: "Swing tempo? You can't handle the swing tempo!" Or maybe even, "You're coming off of a bit of an ugly triple bogey on that last hole. You should probably go drop your clubs off with the clubhouse manager and get a different hobby."
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Post by lane2611 on Dec 9, 2017 14:41:32 GMT -5
Not sure if this helps, but I came from pc in tgc1 with mouse hitting straightish shots and then my pc broke and I opted for PS4 for tgc2. For the first 4 or 5 weeks I couldn’t hit the damn ball in the cone, as a result went from web to CCPro in matter of weeks. I started playing around with different techniques and came across a rather simple one. Try pulling back two or three times before you push forward on every shot. With forward motion, like what someone else has said, the flick forward after the 2nd or 3rd pull back, every shot in the cone and a perfect perfect in tempo. This is what I use now and am back to my near best.
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