Should designers be able to delete courses ?

[bruce]

IMHO if HB doesn't find a way to sort or at least pare down all the courses available, the really great courses will just get lost. I know this isn't really a TGC Tours issue, but there are some genuinely serious folk on these forums and I think it might be a good idea to come up with some way or possible suggestions on better ways to find good playable courses.
 I really think a designer should be able to delete there own course, that would be a good start. I really think this issue needs attention now rather than in another 20,000 courses, don't you ?

[Tim]

Guess I don't understand your question. We created our course listing paired with our review/rating system for just that. So that you could come to TGC Tours and see all the good courses along with their ratings/reviews/plays. My suggestion is -- we market TGCT to the designer as well as the players. If a designers want their course played and discoverable, then they should submit it on our site. It will greatly increase their chances.

[bruce]

So we want every person who plays The Golf Club to come through here to see what courses to play? I was thinking of something that would help The Golf Club itself pare the courses down.

[Tim]

Sept 29, 2014 8:27:41 GMT -5 bruce said:

So we want every person who plays The Golf Club to come through here to see what courses to play?

Yes! :-)

[Crimson Nagus]

I understand what you are saying but, I also understand why HB doesn't allow courses to be deleted since the stats for that course would be deleted as well. Even if they found away to allow designers to delete their course, it doesn't mean the designers of all the bad courses are going to delete them. Finding the diamond in the rough is going to be a choir as more and more courses are created but, that is where sites like this and pocketsouct.us will play a huge role.

I haven't found a single great course by just browsing the in-game search screen, I read about them first on other websites. This may not be ideal for the causal player but, we hardcore players are probably going to be plugged into sites like this that will help point us to the great courses. Also, as long as we honestly rate them in the game, that will help push the really good players up the "highest rated" list which will earn them more plays.

[bruce]

I guess all I'm saying is, it doesn't have to be a chore looking for good courses. As far as stats go, the courses that didn't get the play wouldn't have any stats anyways.I've been enough of a pest on the HB forums about this already.  I read about some of the better courses too, but how many really playable courses go completly unnoticed, just because they didn't spam enough to get them noticed in the first place.
 I can just see someone who spent a lot of time designing a good course, and then publish it, only for it to go unoticed. They wait and wait, it goes unplayed and a possible great designer gets discouraged and hangs it up before he or she even gets started. Like a great artist or musician, maybe they never get noticed either, but it doesn't mean they aren't as  good or even better then the ones that do.
 Then again, its been said before, some like fantasy courses, some realistic, it all depends on the person, yes I have to say it, different strokes for different folks!
I hope HB's solution to deleting courses is a good one, the sooner its done the better.

[Crimson Nagus]

Yes, I see your point. Course discovery will definitely be an issue, especially if you are not a member of a community like this one.

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Sept 29, 2014 11:53:08 GMT -5 bruce said:

I guess all I'm saying is, it doesn't have to be a chore looking for good courses. As far as stats go, the courses that didn't get the play wouldn't have any stats anyways.I've been enough of a pest on the HB forums about this already.  I read about some of the better courses too, but how many really playable courses go completly unnoticed, just because they didn't spam enough to get them noticed in the first place.
 I can just see someone who spent a lot of time designing a good course, and then publish it, only for it to go unoticed. They wait and wait, it goes unplayed and a possible great designer gets discouraged and hangs it up before he or she even gets started. Like a great artist or musician, maybe they never get noticed either, but it doesn't mean they aren't as  good or even better then the ones that do.
 Then again, its been said before, some like fantasy courses, some realistic, it all depends on the person, yes I have to say it, different strokes for different folks!
I hope HB's solution to deleting courses is a good one, the sooner its done the better.

You make a valid point and it's unfortunate that there are a plethora of great courses out there that will never get their just deserts. But ultimately, the designer has to tap into their 'Inner-Don King' and promote the hell out of their hard work. Talk about it and post up pictures on the HB Forums and on this site. Find sneaky ways to bump the post by thanking people for their comments, sometimes days after they made them and when the original post has fallen off the main page. Submit it to PocketScout and pressure them to rate it if it seems lost in the mix. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. 

[misternic]

Oct 3, 2014 11:14:17 GMT -5 MAJORHIGH said:

Sept 29, 2014 11:53:08 GMT -5 bruce said:

I guess all I'm saying is, it doesn't have to be a chore looking for good courses. As far as stats go, the courses that didn't get the play wouldn't have any stats anyways.I've been enough of a pest on the HB forums about this already.  I read about some of the better courses too, but how many really playable courses go completly unnoticed, just because they didn't spam enough to get them noticed in the first place.
 I can just see someone who spent a lot of time designing a good course, and then publish it, only for it to go unoticed. They wait and wait, it goes unplayed and a possible great designer gets discouraged and hangs it up before he or she even gets started. Like a great artist or musician, maybe they never get noticed either, but it doesn't mean they aren't as  good or even better then the ones that do.
 Then again, its been said before, some like fantasy courses, some realistic, it all depends on the person, yes I have to say it, different strokes for different folks!
I hope HB's solution to deleting courses is a good one, the sooner its done the better.

You make a valid point and it's unfortunate that there are a plethora of great courses out there that will never get their just deserts. But ultimately, the designer has to tap into their 'Inner-Don King' and promote the hell out of their hard work. Talk about it and post up pictures on the HB Forums and on this site. Find sneaky ways to bump the post by thanking people for their comments, sometimes days after they made them and when the original post has fallen off the main page. Submit it to PocketScout and pressure them to rate it if it seems lost in the mix. The squeaky wheel gets the grease. 

I agree with everything you said... but where is that time coming from? 80 hours into building a course, 2 hours putting together the you tube video. Then trolling the boards to keep it active? Honestly, the time I steal to keep making comments about Gregors Firth is time taken from building the next course.   (see how I promoted my course in there   )   But I cant disagree with the current model.